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Chris we have been moving away a little

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bit from UFOs except for last week's

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episode where you were in present and

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we've been getting into other subjects

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we had Gary Lachman the former blondie

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bassist on just a couple of weeks ago we

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had dr. Jeffrey Mishlove but I bring to

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your attention something now most of our

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listeners are familiar with a guy named

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Bob Zanotti who is an old broadcaster

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that I knew as a kid there's in

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Switzerland now and he went to school

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public school in Hawthorne New Jersey

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with Debbie Harry of blondie and so I

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asked him tell me

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Debbie Harry and he had this short

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response she was very precocious and

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turned a lot of heads at the Hawthorne

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public pool in her bikini which was bold

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at the time this is like you know

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talking about the 1960s he said further

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she seemed to enjoy being admired but

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she was aloof and not the social idol

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I'd say she hasn't changed much so I

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guess he didn't like her well whatever

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you know she was one of those kind of

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high school cheerleader types I would

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imagine so I'm not surprised and to

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herself I gather you know she had her

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eyes across the river over into

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Manhattan so again I'm not surprised

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okay so that's the observation Debbie

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Harry we'll go from there today Chris

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you've gotten us a really good guest

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this is I think his second appearance on

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the power cast and he's present and

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accounted for along with lots of snag

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effects yes indeed pair cast Lister's we

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have Michael Esposito a longtime

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research and investigative associate of

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mine who gets my vote for arguably the

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world's in the top rung of the world's

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top EVP experts it's got quite a

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background that includes Desert Storm

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army intelligence psyops work that

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filters all the way down into haunted

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side investigations around the world the

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most impressive EVP expert that I

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personally have worked with and Michael

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and I have done over the years it's been

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a few years we're planning on some more

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investigations but back in 2006-2007 we

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went to some of the most haunted sites

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around his area which you know was in

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Illinois he's just outside of the

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Chicago area and Michael I must say you

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know having watched Game seven

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World Series what do you think chide

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town the Cubbies years of the making oh

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man that was quite something

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congratulations to any of you Cub fans

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out there I'm not sure if Michaels much

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of a sports fan he's more of the serious

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studious type but hey my hat goes off to

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all the Cub fans out there a long time

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in the waiting Jennifer Childress David

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Childress his wife of course is a

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die-hard Cubs fan and and she said her

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grandmother's probably turning over many

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times in her grave because she waited

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for the Cubs to win the World Series her

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whole life was a rabid fan my

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congratulations goes out to the entire

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cubby organization and all their fans

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and what a great guest to have on taping

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after the day after Game seven but

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getting back to the subject at hand

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michael has absolutely blown me away

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with just hundreds of electronic voice

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phenomenon recordings EVPs which are we

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think the recorded voices of people

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entities beans what have you that have

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some sort of residual presence in the

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present day and as the theory goes were

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able to pick up recordings if the

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conditions are correct of these dis

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incarnate energy forms for lack of a

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better term you know I've been present

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when Michael has done EVP sessions I've

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gone through comb through the evidence I

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don't have near the fine-tuned ear that

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he has but you know I to be honest with

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you I've been so impressed with some of

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the quality recordings that Michael has

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acquired and accumulated that last year

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I produced an album of music you know

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some grooves that I had

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hanging around for years and some new

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material and then used Michaels EVPs as

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vocal tracks for you know samples you

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know to put on top of the music and and

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I must say it takes a lot to impress me

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and you know I am quite discerning as

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most of our listeners know and I do

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really applaud Michael for his efforts

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he's literally traveled around the world

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to haunted sites and has gathered a mast

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I should say thousands of recordings

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that I think bear scrutiny Michael

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welcome to the show

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well you know for our new listeners why

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don't you give us a little background

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about yourself and how you got involved

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in acoustic work to begin with and then

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how that dovetailed into your your

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haunted side investigations and EVP work

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thanks Chris yeah and it's a great album

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it's if people want to find that album

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the of the mixes that you did which are

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absolutely brilliant they can go to on

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Facebook loss Patrol records just Google

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you know and on Facebook just put it in

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lost Patrol records and then I'll take

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them to a disco rather a Oh Bandcamp

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page where they can they can get that as

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a download currently right now and yeah

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and just one thing about the cause

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really quick and don't get me wrong I'm

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a huge hockey fan I absolutely love the

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Cubs but but um but I read something the

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other day as far as Cubs baseball

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someone said fireworks mayhem in the

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streets all those yelling and screaming

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just something we're gonna have to put

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up with every 108 years I thought that

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was brilliant because and again when you

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mention that children's grandmother was

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turning in her grave it's it's you're

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looking at an event and energy that

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hasn't happened in not just a parent's

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lifetime but

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even a grandparents lifetime and you

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know going back 108 years and then

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that's a gia vent that is unprecedented

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you know well so do we have bunch of

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riots and everything this morning or

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last night what what what actually

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transpired I mean I'm sure the bars were

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filled so closing time but you know any

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sort of civil disobedience and like

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over-the-top partying going on I haven't

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previous segment Chris asked a question

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of Michael Esposito I think it's more

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about sports though and cups and

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everything what's your response well

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actually is I think it's about

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northsiders versus Southsiders

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northsiders a pretty tame they they get

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a little loud and rambunctious but it's

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it's all fairly safe Chicago's had such

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a horrible track record as of late of

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shootings and such

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I think anything over the top would

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probably mixed in with the whole bunch

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but I think for the most part

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northsiders are pretty well civilized so

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it's not a another big issue

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no overturning cars no setting fire to

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stuff if they did they would be playing

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that to the skies about the unruly

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people in Chicago so you have to give a

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good impression let's give some

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impressions about this mystical stuff

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because over the course of this episode

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we'll be hearing some of the sound

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effects you provide and as we understand

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Chris sample them for his new album now

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before I go on I listen to a few

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these before we went on and I have a

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whole bunch of files in readiness and

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you'll have to tell me which ones you

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want to hear and will queue them up for

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the listeners the question is sometimes

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what you hear is vague enough you know

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you can kind of imply what you think

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they are am I correct

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there's always been a kind of a duality

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or a paradigm of thoughts between

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whether or not it's real EVP or if there

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is audio Padia involved or what have you

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but if you listen closely you can hear

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mark certain audio characteristics that

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can only be human-made and I did a lot

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of work with speech pathologist out in

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Colorado and really got a good handle on

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certain utterances certain saplings that

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only could be made by humans not animals

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or ambient noise such as walking through

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rumbling leaves and in a cemetery or or

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things like that so you know things like

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glottal stops and the tapping of the tea

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and there's a certain characteristic to

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him that I think makes them very

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distinctly humanoid that begs the

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question we're talking about humanoid

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sounds coming out of the ethers how do

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we explain that that sort of disconnect

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between a human voice box producing an

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acoustic signature and something that

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appears to be manufactured that way but

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there's no sound generation obviously

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you know apparent to the person that's

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doing the actual recording that's

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actually a really good point in my

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initial desires to call my way into my

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theories on my croissant and the rest of

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the quantum physics theory that I've

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been working on but but before I do that

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let me pose this to make it one step

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deeper is that would require actually

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belief that comes from an actual

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physical or tangible environment indeed

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what if our own energy is trans

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you know acting as an antenna actually

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putting these sounds onto recording

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media

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now granted you know recorders are all

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are all analog because microphones are

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basically metal rods with coil wrapped

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on them so they're all analog the

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digital end of things are some of the

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sound processing in the storage that's

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where you're going to digital and that's

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really kind of neither here nor there

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except when we talk about compression

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but most of the compression comes

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through the microphone so that the

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question is is is this something that

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really is in the ether that we're

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capturing or is this something that we

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are psychically transposing onto a

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medium well so we just just to get a

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little bit more clarity here and what

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you're saying in other words we may be

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in in essence an acoustic medium for a

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particular energy thought-form dis

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incarnate spirit ghost whatever term you

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want to use is using us as almost a

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transducer or something that's actually

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real aimed acoustic information out but

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but we're not really saying anything

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during these recordings I mean we're

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we're completely silent so I'm where is

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that number one where's the convergence

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point number two how is that relayed out

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in an acoustic form so that it can be

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then picked up by an analog microphone

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and then you know digitally you know

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captured let me ask you this let's just

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consider it as a thought or a

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combination of thoughts of the different

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researchers a combination of researchers

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or in the environment

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it doesn't necessarily have to be a

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physical vocal thing you know there's

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that famous quantum theory that matter

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only exists because humans are there to

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observe it in other words if there's a

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tree in a woods and no human has ever

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seen it it's been in a constant state of

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deterioration and doesn't no longer

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exist it literally the molecular

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structure falls apart because it

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without the strength of human

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observation it doesn't have the energy

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to hold itself together so Michael

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that's that's kind of over the top there

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buddy

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in other words almost in Siberia we're

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looking at a full range of possibilities

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- you have right right but you know if

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you know I think the old axiom is if if

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a tree falls in the forest and nobody is

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there to hear it doesn't make a sound I

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think that's kind of what you're

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referring to but you're actually saying

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the trees don't exist unless someone's

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there to observe them and that there's a

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big difference that's correct and I

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always thought the accident was if a

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man's and the woods and he's all alone

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and there's not a woman around to hear

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him is he still wrong with that as he

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probably is what's he doing in the woods

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alone that's what the woman will ask but

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the point is yeah there's actually a

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theory out there that man retains its

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physical properties because of human

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observation the power of human

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observation you're kind of suggesting

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that we're living inside a giant virtual

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simulation that we're actually in some

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sort of VR program or something gee I'm

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not the only ones ever thought that

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Chris it's not a new concept I mean and

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is there some reality to it then you

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have to question you know it you know I

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question therefore I'm God well how

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about trail cams trail cam can be set up

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and no one's there to observe them yet

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they are able to capture real physical

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events in the environment until the

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point of observation right no no I mean

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just because a trail cam image isn't

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observed by somebody doesn't mean that

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it's not there but there's no proof of

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it because no one's observed it it's a

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circular argument you know it's really

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right exactly secondary to I was using

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as a side post - - where I was actually

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going with it where I'm actually going

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with the with the ideas

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is it possible that our collective

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energy and now we're going into

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Sheldrake or even before that I would

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say Edgar Allan Poe's Eureka but is it

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possible that our collective energy or

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at least the subgroup of the

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researchers at any given environment

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isn't contributing to the haunting

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answer that question are they causing it

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to happen the collective unconscious may

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be more to come with michael esposito of

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

595
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we have EVP Chris and I hear the silence

596
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which tonight is my favorite that's your

597
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favorite

598
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:41,440
yeah the blue and the gold and shall

599
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catch the light I think I sent it yeah

600
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that's a classic that's a classic one

601
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:48,970
that's actually a good example about

602
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what I'm talking about too

603
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:52,330
you know a lot of people say well you

604
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have to be careful because you take away

605
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any negative energy or a positive energy

606
00:28:01,799 --> 00:27:59,740
of a place that you're working and you

607
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:01,809
can carry it or to transpose it to

608
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another place so a lot of times even

609
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:07,840
more seasoned researchers could be

610
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bringing a whole lot of baggage

611
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I guess into a particular environment

612
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and contaminating their own research the

613
00:28:20,249 --> 00:28:18,580
the EVP that Chris was talking about was

614
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:20,259
one that we captured at the Sallie house

615
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:24,399
called the the blue and the gold if you

616
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:26,769
look through your list try one of our

617
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:29,830
EVPs out here you can see the blue and

618
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:32,860
gold could catch the light is this

619
00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:34,570
something you have here that you want me

620
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:36,820
to play yeah yeah yeah I have to look

621
00:28:43,169 --> 00:28:38,289
for it here it's called the blue and

622
00:28:46,409 --> 00:28:43,179
gold you could get the blue and gold are

623
00:28:50,869 --> 00:28:46,419
we ready there's a loud one folks here

624
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:50,879
we go the blue and the gold could catch

625
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:53,780
the light

626
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:02,110
well that sounds like something you can

627
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:05,810
understand it at least well you know

628
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:06,890
we're getting way ahead of ourselves

629
00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:10,760
here Michael I think first of all my

630
00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:13,220
original question still stands how did

631
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:15,380
you get interested in this subject to

632
00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:17,630
begin with what kind of background do

633
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:20,020
you have talk about your your army

634
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experience and Desert Storm a little bit

635
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and give us you know kind of give some

636
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of our newer listeners who weren't here

637
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:29,360
five six years ago to hear your first

638
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:31,610
appearance on the show you know catch

639
00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:33,710
people up on who you are how you got

640
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:36,020
involved and you know some of the things

641
00:29:42,820 --> 00:29:39,170
that you've you been working on well I

642
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:42,830
was always interested in experimental

643
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:46,840
and industrial music's basically

644
00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:50,030
non-mainstream stuff and a lot of stuff

645
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,280
that was was either purely noise or

646
00:29:59,530 --> 00:29:55,840
field recording in nature or as a child

647
00:30:00,910 --> 00:29:59,540
listening to the sounds of the semis on

648
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the highway in the wee hours of the

649
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morning or the thumping of the furnace

650
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and actually really enjoying the sound

651
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:09,110
of it and finding a lot of comfort and

652
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:11,420
peace in it and enjoying it probably a

653
00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:15,110
lot more than music so I've always been

654
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:21,470
kind of attuned to to sounds as music

655
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:23,810
you know in sort of a John Cage I guess

656
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:27,710
kind of way I'm referring to 433 where

657
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:30,290
he played nothing for four minutes and

658
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:32,750
and people were forced to listen to the

659
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:36,530
sounds around them eventually you know

660
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:38,900
how I actually got into a EVP research

661
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:42,890
is I was building a mid tower computer I

662
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:46,460
used to modify and hack computers and I

663
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:50,150
was building a German Terra tech like a

664
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:55,850
32 track studio in a mid tower case and

665
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,880
I was trying to mod the frequency ranges

666
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:02,720
on it and I ran into some sort of CVP

667
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:06,770
stuff and and I tried it and I got

668
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:09,020
absolutely incredible results from the

669
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:10,850
very beginning and and literally been

670
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:11,470
hooked up

671
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:14,950
since and then it was just natural down

672
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:17,110
the road to start taking these voices

673
00:31:25,409 --> 00:31:21,720
and and build them into constructs or

674
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:25,419
compositions if you will of love

675
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:28,150
listening music and most of the my

676
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:30,120
recordings and quite a few of them

677
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:33,490
you'll hear is all sounds made from a

678
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:36,090
particular environment so there are

679
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:38,740
phenomenological snapshots there they're

680
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,360
everything that was in the room at the

681
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:43,840
time chopped up and rearranged but

682
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:47,470
maintaining the the legitimacy or the

683
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:53,190
the original frequency values so

684
00:32:00,360 --> 00:31:56,740
basically it's it's really a sort of a

685
00:32:03,539 --> 00:32:00,370
snapshot of a room or place you know

686
00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:03,549
Cemetery whatever rearranged into an

687
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:06,580
aesthetic composition or a static

688
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:11,080
picture if you want okay well how did

689
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:14,470
you get involved with Army acoustic work

690
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:18,490
in the field yeah most of that was you

691
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:21,070
know I was in desert I was I got my army

692
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:22,210
commission from the University of Notre

693
00:32:29,399 --> 00:32:27,580
Dame and in in Desert Storm and Desert

694
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:29,409
Shield actually thought the whole three

695
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:34,809
tours I was in in psyops and other

696
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:36,490
fields in the military were civilian

697
00:32:45,539 --> 00:32:39,280
clothes I'd lived previously in Egypt so

698
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:45,549
I spoke plausible Arabic and you know a

699
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:48,539
lot of that was involved with that so

700
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,010
some of that you know again there wasn't

701
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:53,440
you know I wasn't creating or recreating

702
00:32:59,390 --> 00:32:56,530
like the old classic Vietnam Peace were

703
00:33:02,039 --> 00:32:59,400
we were emulating dead people you know

704
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:02,049
you know wandering the the jungles of

705
00:33:05,399 --> 00:33:04,150
Vietnam because they couldn't get buried

706
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:05,409
in time and playing them over

707
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:07,960
loudspeakers of Huey's or anything like

708
00:33:15,149 --> 00:33:11,020
that will you be mean will you be mean

709
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:15,159
Arabic into the heads of of troops in

710
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:18,010
trenches that were so freaked out that

711
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:19,539
they came out and started kissing the

712
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:21,970
feet of GIS because Muhammad had been

713
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:24,100
talking to them in their heads or in

714
00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:26,890
thing kind of sci-fi like that oh no but

715
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:28,929
musics always been a factor I mean in

716
00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:33,240
sound I mean we've always used the

717
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:36,520
pleasant musics to arm ourselves in a

718
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:38,890
way that you know hey they listen to our

719
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:42,070
music everything's cool you know it's

720
00:33:45,779 --> 00:33:43,539
kind of like someone listens to Barry

721
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:45,789
Manilow King to a hip hop concert you're

722
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:46,809
just not going to get a whole lot of

723
00:34:00,060 --> 00:33:56,610
good response you know but I remember

724
00:34:03,659 --> 00:34:00,070
for an example of acoustic psyops

725
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:03,669
operations I remember this from the Waco

726
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:06,340
Siege and also from the siege of Manuel

727
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:10,270
Noriega at the Vatican Embassy in Panama

728
00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:13,090
where the sounds of rabbits being

729
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,700
slaughtered and heavy-metal music and

730
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:18,720
the weird sort of demonic background

731
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:21,700
backwards masking type stuff was going

732
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:27,399
on bring up the Barney theme song from

733
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:31,450
three kings or that name of the movie

734
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:35,379
three kings yeah three kings I suppose

735
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:37,240
that one didn't come up that's what I

736
00:34:45,859 --> 00:34:43,210
usually get to the stuff that's been

737
00:34:48,619 --> 00:34:45,869
publicly acknowledged by the military

738
00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:48,629
just to keep you from having to divulge

739
00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:51,190
classified projects and that sort of

740
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:52,840
thing but but you were involved in some

741
00:35:02,400 --> 00:34:57,720
pretty sophisticated ium generated sound

742
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:02,410
acoustic acoustic waves that the average

743
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,020
person really isn't aware of for

744
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,359
instance in New York for a short time

745
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:10,240
there was a billboard promoting a TV

746
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:12,100
show that if you stood in one place in

747
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:14,710
the sidewalk you could hear the the

748
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:17,170
actual acoustic signature of the ad in

749
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:19,420
your head and as soon as you stepped out

750
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:23,140
of the range of the e/m field then that

751
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,330
voice would would disappear from in your

752
00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:27,960
head there was no apparent acoustic

753
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:30,580
signature if you were nearby you

754
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:32,260
couldn't hear anything you just hear it

755
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:34,420
reverberate inside your head well how

756
00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:35,830
sophisticated you think our technology

757
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:37,660
is in the military

758
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:41,440
in the that's actually a very old

759
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,680
concept in fact they attribute that kind

760
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:47,440
of to the widespread appeal of classical

761
00:35:52,289 --> 00:35:50,500
music that the frequencies involved in a

762
00:35:55,049 --> 00:35:52,299
lot of the composition of the classical

763
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:55,059
music vibrate the inner error hairs and

764
00:35:59,609 --> 00:35:57,700
create sounds in your head that aren't

765
00:36:03,000 --> 00:35:59,619
actually played fact there was a famous

766
00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:03,010
female on my wallet posted a great

767
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:04,869
interview by her a long time ago

768
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:07,530
there's a female electronic music

769
00:36:14,549 --> 00:36:10,210
pioneer from the sixties and seventies

770
00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:14,559
that would create electronic music that

771
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:17,619
actually would create tones that weren't

772
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:20,200
being played in the individual listeners

773
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:23,980
ears based on vibrating of the the hair

774
00:36:29,339 --> 00:36:26,710
on the you know years and and the anvil

775
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:29,349
and hammer of course you know so the

776
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:31,420
whole concept of that billboard it's

777
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:33,010
actually not new technology or anything

778
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:36,609
it's just a new application of it let's

779
00:36:40,829 --> 00:36:39,130
do a break here and continue with this

780
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:40,839
michael esposito

781
00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:45,400
EVPs with EVP Chris and Jean I don't get

782
00:36:49,019 --> 00:36:46,809
anything in front of my name although

783
00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:49,029
some people use words I can't repeat

784
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[Music]

897
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:34,300
that is EVP Chris we now know where that

898
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:36,820
voice comes from Michael I'm sorry I had

899
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:39,640
to kind of break off your discussion a

900
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:41,230
little bit there would you continue

901
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:44,260
please yeah I know the conversation

902
00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:47,170
keeps taking off different veins and I

903
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:50,349
think a lot of the this interview is

904
00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:51,940
could be a lot of corralling more than

905
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,380
anything because it's ready to give our

906
00:42:01,290 --> 00:41:59,200
listeners a sense of your background how

907
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:01,300
you arrived to the place that you're at

908
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:03,670
today is one of the acknowledged top

909
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:07,180
experts on the planet in haunted sight

910
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:10,390
acoustic recordings I have seen with my

911
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:12,970
own eyes and I'm as you know Michael

912
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:15,700
when I had that first trip we took I was

913
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:17,530
rolling my eyes and I was really

914
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:22,750
skeptical about the whole concept you

915
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:25,150
know sure I heard some Class A EVPs and

916
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,740
they sounded impressive but I wasn't

917
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:28,480
there when they were recorded it's like

918
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:31,089
come on show me you know I mean it's

919
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:33,220
almost like I was born in Missouri I

920
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:35,260
need to be shown these things I need to

921
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:37,930
experience them and by the time we were

922
00:42:45,930 --> 00:42:41,819
done you know going to manteno going to

923
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:45,940
the Ricoh DS restaurant we didn't really

924
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:47,770
get anything at the studebaker mansion

925
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:50,440
but man Tino and Rico DS I mean how do

926
00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:52,780
you explain let's set up for our

927
00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:56,680
audience the Rico these amazing amazing

928
00:43:02,250 --> 00:42:59,890
recording that to this day I still can't

929
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:02,260
wrap my head around how this could

930
00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:04,359
possibly have happened you have to

931
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:06,369
picture this listeners here we arrive

932
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:09,849
it's it's a restaurant that used to be

933
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,520
the country house for Al Capone it was

934
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:15,040
his private little bordello his place

935
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:17,800
where his guys would hang out the second

936
00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:20,770
floor was a house of ill-repute a

937
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:24,099
private bordello there were tunnels that

938
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:25,990
went from this place to the Chicago

939
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,010
River had an amazing history after

940
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:33,040
Capone in front you know in the 20s and

941
00:43:39,249 --> 00:43:35,569
30s and then onwards it was a biker bar

942
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,259
someone was killed in the attic and when

943
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,900
we walked in the owner of the restaurant

944
00:43:46,989 --> 00:43:43,670
the first thing he really told us is

945
00:43:49,809 --> 00:43:46,999
nobody goes up into the attic and we can

946
00:43:52,449 --> 00:43:49,819
get into a little later why but it was

947
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:52,459
he considered it kind of off-limits and

948
00:43:56,229 --> 00:43:54,650
very dangerous and so everybody kind of

949
00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:56,239
agreed and the first thing Michael did

950
00:43:59,949 --> 00:43:57,619
was he snuck up there

951
00:44:01,749 --> 00:43:59,959
hit record put it there and then snuck

952
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:01,759
back down before anybody could see him

953
00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:04,609
so we're going through the night we're

954
00:44:09,759 --> 00:44:06,920
having this investigation and at one

955
00:44:12,999 --> 00:44:09,769
point about 45 minutes after we got in

956
00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:13,009
there in 45 minutes to an hour a group

957
00:44:16,569 --> 00:44:14,839
of us were standing around a table on

958
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:16,579
the second floor I was changing out

959
00:44:22,209 --> 00:44:19,400
batteries of my video camera and we were

960
00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:22,219
kind of talking in low tones in kind of

961
00:44:26,469 --> 00:44:24,019
hushed voices everybody was being kind

962
00:44:29,259 --> 00:44:26,479
of quiet and there was a lull in the

963
00:44:32,709 --> 00:44:29,269
conversation and out of the blue we

964
00:44:36,939 --> 00:44:32,719
heard this like I can't even say it but

965
00:44:39,069 --> 00:44:36,949
it's fu and everybody everybody's eyes

966
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:39,079
got wide we looked around and we could

967
00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:41,900
tell nobody had had cursed this out you

968
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:43,819
know around the table was somebody

969
00:44:50,229 --> 00:44:47,930
else's voice it was just loud as could

970
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,239
be like somebody in the room had cursed

971
00:44:55,089 --> 00:44:53,359
this out and said fu and as we're

972
00:44:56,769 --> 00:44:55,099
sitting there going did you say you know

973
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:56,779
we're looking around here comes Michael

974
00:45:01,089 --> 00:44:58,190
and the owner of the restaurant down the

975
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:01,099
hallway and they walk into the room and

976
00:45:05,439 --> 00:45:02,690
we excitedly say you won't believe what

977
00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:05,449
just happened here and what did what did

978
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,940
he say the owner of the restaurant he

979
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,160
made some phrase like wow I can't

980
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:11,839
believe that just happened or I can't

981
00:45:17,319 --> 00:45:14,180
believe that happened or he said a

982
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:17,329
phrase right it's amazing I can't

983
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:18,680
believe that just happened it's amazing

984
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:19,849
what you find here or something like

985
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:20,089
that

986
00:45:25,689 --> 00:45:23,650
right but it was it was a very distinct

987
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:25,699
by this time I had switched out

988
00:45:31,779 --> 00:45:28,430
batteries and I recorded him saying this

989
00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:31,789
as he walks into the room well days

990
00:45:37,509 --> 00:45:35,509
later when we go into the studio to sync

991
00:45:39,309 --> 00:45:37,519
up the audio recordings from the various

992
00:45:42,189 --> 00:45:39,319
recorders that we had because everything

993
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:42,199
was very done with time codes and and we

994
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:43,880
you know we were able to sync everything

995
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:47,420
up easily because we were you know we

996
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:48,990
went into the investigation no

997
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:50,580
that everything had to be synched up all

998
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:52,710
three cameras all the audio recordings

999
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:55,830
we had timecode and all that and we took

1000
00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:58,530
the recording device that Michael had

1001
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:01,410
put up in the attic and within five

1002
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:04,260
minutes of him hitting record the owner

1003
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:06,930
of the restaurants voice said that

1004
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,630
phrase that he said when he walked into

1005
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:12,000
the room 45 minutes later on the second

1006
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:14,430
floor below the attic and we got a

1007
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:17,070
recording of him saying that but it was

1008
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:20,100
different it seemed like somebody like a

1009
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:22,530
really good mimic image imitating his

1010
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,390
voice but he didn't get that the

1011
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,880
inflection was a little wrong the timing

1012
00:46:31,390 --> 00:46:28,950
was a little wrong but the words were

1013
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:31,400
exactly the same

1014
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:34,110
Peter and the rhythm were perfect yeah

1015
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:38,010
it was the most amazing example of some

1016
00:46:43,580 --> 00:46:41,070
sort of time dilation effect that me as

1017
00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:43,590
you know a so-called investigator I have

1018
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:46,860
never encountered anything that is has

1019
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:51,720
come close to that and from and that was

1020
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,460
just the beginning I mean I mean we

1021
00:46:58,099 --> 00:46:56,400
could do a couple of shows on all the

1022
00:47:02,480 --> 00:46:58,109
investigations that we've done here in

1023
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:02,490
Arizona in Illinois and the EVPs we did

1024
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:04,380
at the Merle building Memorial Park in

1025
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,690
Oklahoma City with a kid screaming and

1026
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:09,000
people yelling a bomb a bomb you know I

1027
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:10,380
really feel that there's something to

1028
00:47:15,859 --> 00:47:13,410
this whole acoustic phenomenon and

1029
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:15,869
Michael you know you know later on the

1030
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,310
show will talk about some of the trips

1031
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:19,740
that you've taken around the world the

1032
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:22,740
EVPs that you got in the catacombs in

1033
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:25,560
Paris and the Colosseum in Rome

1034
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:27,740
this is I think a really

1035
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:30,210
underappreciated aspect of homicide

1036
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:32,460
investigations in terms of trying to

1037
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,540
take it to the scientific mainstream and

1038
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:38,460
say here's the evidence here's the

1039
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:40,770
evidence chain how do you explain this

1040
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:45,300
so eject something real quick in the

1041
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,609
show here just before we to move too far

1042
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:50,160
away from Rick Cody's which is now

1043
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,990
called Irish legends which is an amazing

1044
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,720
place but across the street from it

1045
00:47:58,820 --> 00:47:56,880
directly across the street from it it

1046
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,830
was like a two-lane road there was a

1047
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:01,020
very special place called Willowbrook

1048
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:01,800
Bowl

1049
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,130
that was the site the resurrection Mary

1050
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,520
initially danced at or the story of

1051
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:10,800
resurrection Mary is centered around the

1052
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,830
willow book Brook Ballroom right across

1053
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:15,720
the street from Irish legends which was

1054
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:20,430
Rick Odie's and you guys probably

1055
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:24,690
haven't heard but a couple days before

1056
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,410
Halloween it burnt to the ground really

1057
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:30,720
well whose resurrection Mary first of

1058
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,850
all resurrection Mary is with famous

1059
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:35,400
what they call a woman in white haunting

1060
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,740
in Chicago on right there on Archer

1061
00:48:47,590 --> 00:48:42,960
Avenue where Irish legends and

1062
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:47,600
Willowbrook Ballroom is and in the 30s a

1063
00:48:53,830 --> 00:48:51,060
girl went dancing against her here's a

1064
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,840
story anyway went dancing against her

1065
00:49:00,560 --> 00:48:56,480
father's wishes with the young boy and

1066
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:00,570
something happened that he had not taken

1067
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:02,670
her home or something and she got hit

1068
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:06,960
and killed by a car and throughout the

1069
00:49:13,099 --> 00:49:09,810
years people have seen her walking along

1070
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:13,109
the street taxi drivers and others have

1071
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:15,450
picked her up in the car to be asked to

1072
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:17,340
be dropped off at the cemetery

1073
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:19,260
Resurrection Cemetery in Justice

1074
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,220
Illinois or at the ballroom and

1075
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:24,300
disappeared out of the car without

1076
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,660
paying fair young man was dancing with

1077
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:32,400
her in the 50s in the Willowbrook

1078
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:35,609
ballroom and she seemed very odd and

1079
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,490
strange and saying she was cold he lent

1080
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:41,640
her his senior jacket his letterman

1081
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:45,570
jacket which was later found on her

1082
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,990
tombstone in the Resurrection Cemetery

1083
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:50,700
the most famous thing that happened was

1084
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:53,550
in resurrections is a cemetery taxi

1085
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:55,170
driver saw a woman it looked like she

1086
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,270
was trapped in the within the cemetery

1087
00:50:02,090 --> 00:49:58,640
afterwards locked up

1088
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:02,100
holding on to the bars and so he called

1089
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:04,200
the police and the police arrived and

1090
00:50:08,330 --> 00:50:06,690
they didn't find anything but the two

1091
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:08,340
places where she was holding on to the

1092
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:11,130
bars of bars were horribly melted and

1093
00:50:15,089 --> 00:50:12,930
with handprints in them including you

1094
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,099
gosh we see fingerprints what

1095
00:50:20,759 --> 00:50:17,920
drew so much attention that the church

1096
00:50:23,219 --> 00:50:20,769
actually had to cut the bars out of the

1097
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:23,229
fence and replace them which there's

1098
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:24,729
some speculation to where those bars

1099
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:27,220
actually are but the legend of

1100
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:30,970
Resurrection Mary is probably as famous

1101
00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:33,220
as the the curse of the coaches in

1102
00:50:38,759 --> 00:50:36,220
Chicago if not more and her original

1103
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:38,769
dance was held at the Willowbrook

1104
00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:41,410
Ballroom right across the street from

1105
00:50:48,329 --> 00:50:44,499
Britt Cody's or which novel Irish

1106
00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:48,339
legends and it just burned down a couple

1107
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,809
days before Halloween to the ground so

1108
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:55,119
we're talking what just recently this

1109
00:51:02,219 --> 00:50:58,450
year what's that this year yeah this

1110
00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:02,229
year just just a few days ago yeah I

1111
00:51:06,569 --> 00:51:04,180
know well though I'm just adding to the

1112
00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:06,579
though because we're talking about Irish

1113
00:51:10,289 --> 00:51:08,440
legends or Rick or DS and the filming

1114
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:10,299
that we had across the street and right

1115
00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:12,220
across the street was the Willowbrook

1116
00:51:18,029 --> 00:51:16,420
Ballroom and this is the whole story of

1117
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:18,039
the area the whole story the thing just

1118
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:20,890
continues to grow and believe me if you

1119
00:51:24,959 --> 00:51:22,450
don't think there aren't gonna be things

1120
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said about this in the future there will

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1188
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:09,930
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1189
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1190
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,530
here's Jane Steinberg so we have the

1191
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:25,200
echo echo echo of Chris Chris Chris

1192
00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:27,540
O'Brien O'Brien you know they say if you

1193
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:29,579
repeat yourself repeat yourself you must

1194
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,530
be on drugs drugs but we're not not

1195
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,740
Michael Esposito you give long answers

1196
00:54:38,299 --> 00:54:36,359
and sometimes we have to break it up

1197
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:38,309
yeah I've been known to be a little

1198
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:41,400
windy there's a song called windy back

1199
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:43,859
in the 60s but it has nothing to do with

1200
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:45,530
any of that

1201
00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:47,730
it's about Resurrection Mary

1202
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:53,809
that's along comes Mary the other

1203
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:55,800
association hit sorry

1204
00:55:02,780 --> 00:54:57,630
yeah well long comes Mary is about

1205
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:02,790
marijuana really sure Mary Jane along

1206
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,550
comes Mary those Association yeah

1207
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,380
blowing in the wind is supposedly about

1208
00:55:13,579 --> 00:55:10,799
smoking weed also got to get you into my

1209
00:55:16,339 --> 00:55:13,589
life from the Beatles Paul McCartney

1210
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:16,349
about his early marijuana experiences

1211
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:17,960
but now there was another song the

1212
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,140
association did called windy the

1213
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:28,680
association of course was all that music

1214
00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:32,130
was performed by the wrecking crew the

1215
00:55:37,579 --> 00:55:35,430
crack studio musicians in LA but the

1216
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:37,589
actual three members of the Association

1217
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:41,520
the original three members were baggers

1218
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:44,520
at a grocery store just to let you know

1219
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:48,089
here's the urban legend about Wendy the

1220
00:55:53,289 --> 00:55:50,190
infectious pop classic Wendy was

1221
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:53,299
released by the band the Association in

1222
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:57,210
1967 but the original lyrics were

1223
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:59,099
written about the hippie boyfriend of

1224
00:56:03,289 --> 00:56:01,260
the songwriter but they were rewritten

1225
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:03,299
to by the association to be about a

1226
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:06,359
woman so there you go but I think you're

1227
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:08,760
looking at who's tripping down the

1228
00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:11,430
streets of the city smiling and

1229
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:14,190
everybody she sees who's reaching out to

1230
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:16,710
capture a moment everyone knows it's

1231
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:18,690
windy the words tripping down

1232
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,440
must be resurrection along comes Mary

1233
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:26,720
we digress

1234
00:56:32,839 --> 00:56:30,270
so Michael uh you know let's kind of

1235
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,849
take a little a journey through some of

1236
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:35,760
your investigative ventures one of the

1237
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:39,599
ones that really impressed me quite a

1238
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:44,369
bit was the Pottawattamie recording that

1239
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:47,220
you got of an extinct form in Potawatomi

1240
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:49,260
why don't you give our or listeners kind

1241
00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:51,060
of a background on that particular case

1242
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:54,060
and and how much work it actually took

1243
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,569
to figure out what that voice was saying

1244
00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:59,599
well there was a I've been doing a

1245
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:01,740
little side project actually is a

1246
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:03,540
Facebook page I that's highly they

1247
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:05,730
collected a little side project called

1248
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:08,569
yeah uh pterence ISM native tongue and

1249
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:11,490
basically it has to do with Native

1250
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:15,839
American findings and research at Native

1251
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:19,770
American sites and stuff which actually

1252
00:57:22,550 --> 00:57:21,450
there's been some new developments on it

1253
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:22,560
that I haven't been able to chase down

1254
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:24,390
but this particular case you're

1255
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:28,859
referring to was in Cedar Lake Indiana

1256
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,420
and it was a Potawatomi burial mound in

1257
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,240
an old Potawatomi village and that's

1258
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:39,599
actually where the Louie ins farm stuff

1259
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:42,119
is also Potawatomi but this particular

1260
00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:45,569
one is the the local settlers which were

1261
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:48,869
mostly Dutch decided to use that great

1262
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:50,490
little mound that little hill to bury

1263
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,810
their dead on top of that including a

1264
00:58:00,620 --> 00:57:56,400
veteran from the Revolutionary War and

1265
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:00,630
then in the 30s they started to build

1266
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:04,020
summer cottages and stuff around it so

1267
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:05,819
they decided to dig into the sides of it

1268
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:09,960
to mount housing in and later those

1269
00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:11,940
houses became permanent housing in fact

1270
00:58:17,059 --> 00:58:15,030
a few years ago a couple caskets popped

1271
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,069
up in some guys crawlspace and yet have

1272
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:20,880
the state come and re interim so it's

1273
00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:25,430
it's a piece of ground that was ritually

1274
00:58:29,849 --> 00:58:28,430
sacred and they literally just

1275
00:58:31,979 --> 00:58:29,859
desecrated Oh

1276
00:58:35,279 --> 00:58:31,989
over and over again for many many years

1277
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:35,289
and what did the EVPs I captured off of

1278
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:38,950
that was in Potawatomi which I really

1279
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:42,609
had to trace down someone that knew

1280
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:44,049
something about the language to be able

1281
00:58:54,029 --> 00:58:48,940
to to translate because it was it was

1282
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,039
kind of hard for me to make any sense

1283
00:58:58,469 --> 00:58:56,559
out I knew was humanistic and in nature

1284
00:59:01,410 --> 00:58:58,479
but I just didn't know what I said

1285
00:59:03,059 --> 00:59:01,420
which you know across the the world a

1286
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:03,069
lot of the foreign spots that I've

1287
00:59:09,959 --> 00:59:04,630
recorded I've had to do the same

1288
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:09,969
especially in Sweden and some in Germany

1289
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:12,190
but most mostly Sweden I've had problems

1290
00:59:19,949 --> 00:59:16,809
with the translation in Chris so you

1291
00:59:23,339 --> 00:59:19,959
know that kind of reminds me that we've

1292
00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:23,349
had an idea for a while that we've not

1293
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:25,029
been able to really coordinate our

1294
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,140
schedules and act upon but you know I

1295
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:31,839
thought after reading an article about

1296
00:59:37,739 --> 00:59:34,749
the Sand Creek Massacre site I was

1297
00:59:39,689 --> 00:59:37,749
investigating in researching a cattle

1298
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:39,699
mutilation case that occurred on the

1299
00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:43,170
north end of that Massacre site and

1300
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,420
there were you know interesting quotes

1301
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:49,119
by the rancher and his wife that they

1302
00:59:53,999 --> 00:59:51,430
could hear at times usually I'm really

1303
00:59:57,029 --> 00:59:54,009
quiet nights really cold winter nights

1304
01:00:01,650 --> 00:59:57,039
they could hear what they you know

1305
01:00:04,249 --> 01:00:01,660
interpreted as the sounds of like battle

1306
01:00:06,959 --> 01:00:04,259
like they were hearing residual effects

1307
01:00:10,259 --> 01:00:06,969
somehow through time of the actual

1308
01:00:12,539 --> 01:00:10,269
massacre and women wailing and people

1309
01:00:15,029 --> 01:00:12,549
screaming guns going off that sort of

1310
01:00:17,489 --> 01:00:15,039
thing and I it kind of gave me an idea

1311
01:00:20,509 --> 01:00:17,499
that yeah Michael and I should possibly

1312
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:20,519
visit some of the more celebrated

1313
01:00:27,329 --> 01:00:25,089
Massacre sites Wounded Knee about a big

1314
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:27,339
Little Bighorn places where lots of

1315
01:00:36,289 --> 01:00:30,400
people were killed in a you know in an

1316
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:36,299
awful way and and do a series of EVP

1317
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:40,930
recording sessions at places where we

1318
01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:43,210
had either battles

1319
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:46,780
or massacres having to do with Native

1320
01:00:54,930 --> 01:00:49,390
Americans because to me the ultimate

1321
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:54,940
evidence is is getting EVP recordings in

1322
01:01:00,320 --> 01:00:57,250
languages that we don't know whether

1323
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:00,330
it's su whether it's Cheyenne Arapaho

1324
01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:05,440
Potawatomi but to get recordings in

1325
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:07,420
another language because to me number

1326
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:12,400
one that would I would say kind of on

1327
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,010
disprove

1328
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,839
Michaels potential theory that the

1329
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:25,599
investigators are somehow involved in in

1330
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:30,400
the actual filtering of some form of

1331
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:33,010
energy that then manifests acoustically

1332
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:34,690
on a recording because I don't know

1333
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:37,030
Native American languages I just know a

1334
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:41,520
few words and in Hopi and Navajo ordinay

1335
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:44,670
so that to me would be a really worthy

1336
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:47,500
experiment and I still owe Michael that

1337
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:50,020
you know ideas still you know I still

1338
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:51,670
have it on the table I'd really like to

1339
01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:55,030
do that and and pull out some time to to

1340
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,220
go ahead and figure out a way to marshal

1341
01:02:01,200 --> 01:01:59,200
our resources and and and get to these

1342
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:01,210
sites I think that that would be a

1343
01:02:08,579 --> 01:02:04,230
really worthy experiment but speaking of

1344
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:08,589
languages and capturing EVPs of

1345
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:12,210
languages that are either you know

1346
01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:16,200
extinct a long dad or not known by you

1347
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:19,480
why don't you give us some examples and

1348
01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:23,170
some ideas of what you have had you know

1349
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:26,470
success with when you've gone to let's

1350
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:29,770
say the Paris catacombs the the basement

1351
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:32,500
the gladiators hung out below the the

1352
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:35,410
Colosseum give us some some examples of

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some of the recordings that you've been

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able to get in these places

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well definitely in the Colosseum but

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there was a those Museum of purgatory

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Souls near the Vatican I did recordings

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at where this priest in the late 1800s

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Early 1900s collected artifact

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from everything from the third and

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fourth centuries of Burque robes and and

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pieces of wood and books and handprints

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and signs of the Cross burn into him and

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they were usually accompanied visions of

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the dead asking for prayer from the

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clergy or family members to get them out

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of purgatory and the recordings from

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there were incredible included a lot of

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bits in Italian in the kamala cross

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garden of the Haunted priests house in

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northern suite and quite a few Swedish

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voices and stuff you know but it's also

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references to that are important let's

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do more that let's talk about these

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voices in the references in our next

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tends to start long answers when we have

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a minute left with our segment its

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timing we also have a whole bunch of

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audios I'd like to hear more of can we

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start towards that play yeah I was gonna

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lead into a couple of them not far from

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the Pottawattamie burial mound was a old

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Potawatomi village that they when they

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did the the trail of blood they marched

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the army marched a bunch of the

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Potawatomi z-- off the land and towards

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what actually they were going to try and

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settle them in Atchison Kansas where the

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Sallie house was where the Indians

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wouldn't stay there because they said

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the land was bad and settled across the

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river in Kansas for the reservation now

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there was a hunting tribe that was gone

1513
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when they took all the the village and

1514
01:09:38,349 --> 01:09:36,800
when they came back they found their

1515
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village gone so they went out and they

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01:09:43,480 --> 01:09:40,400
caused a battle with the soldiers and

1517
01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:43,490
took their village people back and then

1518
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:46,760
the Indiana sent soldiers to rear on

1519
01:09:50,650 --> 01:09:48,290
these people up there was a horrible

1520
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:50,660
battle that that quite a few people

1521
01:10:00,490 --> 01:09:54,910
actually died at and later it became a

1522
01:10:02,530 --> 01:10:00,500
farm that Lou Ann runs and she's an

1523
01:10:06,340 --> 01:10:02,540
attorney and she runs a horse rescue

1524
01:10:08,980 --> 01:10:06,350
there and a couple of EVPs captured from

1525
01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:08,990
there you might find he did it with

1526
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:12,380
tears is one of them he's got a whole

1527
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:13,730
bunch here

1528
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:16,130
but I have okay let's play that one yeah

1529
01:10:28,690 --> 01:10:27,670
there you go and then if you go down a

1530
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,700
little further there's one called

1531
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:31,760
burning okay some people might

1532
01:10:41,229 --> 01:10:35,510
think this is a sexist title but here it

1533
01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:41,239
is but that's what they say yes yeah

1534
01:10:47,380 --> 01:10:45,500
that's why I titled it that but yeah

1535
01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:47,390
always a politically correct world we

1536
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:49,940
have to have terms and conditions for

1537
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:52,040
everything I don't know if ghosts are

1538
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:55,670
politically correct but I think wouldn't

1539
01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:57,530
they say burnin swathe do they mean

1540
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:01,270
naturally on fire well talking about

1541
01:11:06,940 --> 01:11:04,310
politically correct ghosts when we went

1542
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:06,950
to reco DS we were trying to create a

1543
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:10,640
pilot for a TV show and every single EVP

1544
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:13,070
we got had a word that had to be bleeped

1545
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:18,700
out because it couldn't be broadcast so

1546
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,930
isn't it interesting you get evidence

1547
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:22,960
that you can't present to the public

1548
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:29,900
because yeah it's curse words in it how

1549
01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:31,960
ironic

1550
01:11:39,070 --> 01:11:36,380
so yeah so a lot of the the EVPs and

1551
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,080
then I just did a bunch of recordings

1552
01:11:43,420 --> 01:11:41,120
I've been doing family research one of

1553
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:43,430
my theories that I've been working on is

1554
01:11:49,450 --> 01:11:46,790
that if like energy attracts and energy

1555
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:49,460
can never be created or destroyed and

1556
01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:52,850
energy has individual signatures like

1557
01:12:00,100 --> 01:11:56,630
thumb prints bad blood energy or energy

1558
01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:00,110
along family trees are probably stronger

1559
01:12:06,610 --> 01:12:03,320
than energy that a cross family trees

1560
01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:06,620
and I found out through some research

1561
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:10,220
that my great-great-great great-great

1562
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:12,650
grandfather on my mother's side was a

1563
01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:15,790
lieutenant at the Battle of Tippecanoe

1564
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:21,680
against Tecumseh's village under the

1565
01:12:31,710 --> 01:12:27,530
leadership of the Prophet in 1811 which

1566
01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:31,720
actually prompted the war of 1812 and

1567
01:12:36,370 --> 01:12:34,430
they have a special spot where he

1568
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actually fell so they have a marker for

1569
01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:39,800
where my ancestor actually fell so I did

1570
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:42,350
some recordings down there and Dad

1571
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:45,200
prophets rock where the Prophet

1572
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convinced the Indians of the white man's

1573
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:49,850
bullets will pass right through them not

1574
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to be afraid

1575
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:55,720
Eddie Newton who runs a industrial

1576
01:13:02,140 --> 01:12:59,090
project called clock TVA since well the

1577
01:13:04,570 --> 01:13:02,150
70s late seventies he was over from

1578
01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:04,580
England we did a couple of concerts for

1579
01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:08,030
a new band we've got and we went down

1580
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:09,080
there together and we did some

1581
01:13:13,150 --> 01:13:10,850
recordings which I haven't really had a

1582
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,160
chance to go through yet so I'm trying

1583
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:14,960
to combine this whole audiences of

1584
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:17,020
native tongue with some of these other

1585
01:13:24,190 --> 01:13:22,850
theories of energy and family energy you

1586
01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:24,200
know let me get this right you think

1587
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:28,280
that there's a correlation between the

1588
01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:31,930
probability and equality of EVPs by

1589
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:36,020
descendants of family members possibly

1590
01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:37,910
that are being recorded of the

1591
01:13:45,550 --> 01:13:43,220
researcher correct yes let's look at

1592
01:13:50,170 --> 01:13:45,560
that a little bit why would that be do

1593
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:50,180
you think that research of actually I

1594
01:13:55,150 --> 01:13:52,490
mean when I first started doing this as

1595
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:55,160
you know well iid I wanted to

1596
01:14:00,670 --> 01:13:57,650
deconstruct what I was catching I wanted

1597
01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:00,680
to just deconstruct what evb EVP could

1598
01:14:04,690 --> 01:14:02,750
possibly be which took me to the quantum

1599
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,700
physics of my croissant theory and and

1600
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:08,000
short durations of sound actually not

1601
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,720
being as close to classical sound

1602
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,000
engineering tells you short appearances

1603
01:14:20,380 --> 01:14:17,840
sound big fallout of the human range of

1604
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:20,390
hearing which quantum physics of

1605
01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:22,700
microsites says that's not true short

1606
01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:25,400
duration is a sound can still be within

1607
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:27,470
the the frequencies of human hearing but

1608
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:29,510
not build up enough pressure decibel to

1609
01:14:36,370 --> 01:14:32,330
be registered by the human ear and so

1610
01:14:38,410 --> 01:14:36,380
that these pieces of sound travel in

1611
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:38,420
what they call granular clouds little

1612
01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:40,760
fragments of bytes of sound

1613
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:43,190
that hang together because like at

1614
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:48,550
energy attracts as Einstein surmised and

1615
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:51,590
if you could imagine like a like a kind

1616
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of a cloud of little fragments of sound

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that can't be registered by the human

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ear because there's no compression to it

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are you bringing a recorder in and you

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slice through one of those clouds by

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compressing it with the microphone as we

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talked about being an analog compressor

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when we first started recording with

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digital recorders everybody was

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oh you can't use those are horribly

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compressed sound and compressions bad

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and blah blah blah but the truth of the

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matter is is I kind of determined

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:23,960
compressions actually good thing because

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if we're compressing fragments of sound

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which is you know compression leads to

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added pressure or decibel right so if

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that's the case is what we're doing is

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01:15:41,799 --> 01:15:38,090
we're compressing slices of Micra song

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:41,809
or granular clouds and putting them into

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01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:43,610
an audible State so we're listening

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01:15:50,350 --> 01:15:46,550
we're actually slicing through fragments

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of sonic memory or persistence of memory

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you know memory of people being able to

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communicate just can't build up enough

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01:15:58,180 --> 01:15:56,659
pressure to do it you know because they

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don't want to have the physical bodies

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to push air through the diaphragm and

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into the volume but just violate the

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second law of thermodynamics of entropy

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I mean every every every caused an event

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:16,329
occurrence then has entropy I mean it it

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descends into nothingness basically it

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it dissipates right the first one let me

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break it before your answers so we don't

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interrupt you okay we'll have Michael

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Esposito's answer no entropy involved

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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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vans paranormal and you're listening to

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the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio when he says that I

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want to thank the parrot cast Michael

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Esposito well we're gonna talk about the

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parrot in a little while because the

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parent was the lead vocalist on one of

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01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,150
my tracks probably my favorite track on

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the MIDI album that I that he and I did

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:41,430
last year well Michael you know you're

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01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:43,250
throwing out terms like quantum

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01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:47,370
mechanics and granular clouds and I

1778
01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:49,080
think some of our listeners are gonna be

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:51,180
rolling their eyes saying ah just a

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01:21:56,150 --> 01:21:53,090
bunch of pseudoscience

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01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:56,160
how does quantum mechanics possibly have

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01:22:00,560 --> 01:21:58,890
anything to do with with acoustics once

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01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:00,570
you give us a little deeper background

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01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:03,960
on on this particular use of terms and

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01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:07,290
and also kind of define a little a

1786
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:09,420
little give us a little bit more

1787
01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:12,150
complete definition of how you're

1788
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:14,040
relating quantum mechanics with

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01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:17,580
acoustics I'm a little fuzzy here I'm

1790
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:19,020
not quite sure where the connecting

1791
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:21,030
points are all right let's take it back

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01:22:26,150 --> 01:22:23,850
then there's always been a question of

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01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:26,160
what happens to sound once we no longer

1794
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:29,330
can hear it and that also folds into

1795
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:33,960
theories of echo now Marconi always

1796
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:35,580
believes he was the following invented

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:37,790
the radio or as we give him credit for

1798
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:41,010
that sound never was ever gone never

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dissipated completely that it just got

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infinitely smaller and he always had

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hoped and he'd stated that he had always

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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:50,610
hoped that he could build a receiving

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device sense enough to be able to hear

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01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,810
Jesus's sermon on the mall that was

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something he toys had proposed you know

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01:23:02,780 --> 01:23:01,050
was a once on his bucket list it's not

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01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:02,790
quite and it further I mean if you look

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01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:05,310
at the first of the stone tape theory

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01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:06,930
and the stone tape theory is basically

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that absorbent materials such as stone

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certain stone

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and would and different physical objects

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have the ability absorb the energy of

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sound which if you believe in what

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Einstein theorized that energy can never

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be destroyed or created it's either

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rusting or kinetic then we know or we

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01:23:35,690 --> 01:23:32,860
can at least certeyn that even vocal

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integer or noise energy sound frequency

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oscillation and vibration that remains

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01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:44,230
and if you look at something like echo

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01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,290
when you speak and you hear an echo or

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01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:49,600
you're the sun reverberates off of a

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01:23:57,690 --> 01:23:54,510
wall or stone or a tree or or whatever

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01:24:00,300 --> 01:23:57,700
we're pretty confident now from the

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research that audio engineers and

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01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:03,220
scientists have done that although some

1828
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:06,130
of the audio actually reflects off of

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the object some of its also absorbed

1830
01:24:13,410 --> 01:24:11,260
into the object while you and I have

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01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:13,420
done some experiments using pure tone

1832
01:24:17,070 --> 01:24:15,940
tuning forks and stuff we're at the

1833
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:17,080
Sallie house you remember in the

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01:24:29,610 --> 01:24:26,800
basement your fuzzy about that but my

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01:24:32,660 --> 01:24:29,620
idea was that maybe we could add pure

1836
01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:32,670
tone energy to some of these residual

1837
01:24:40,530 --> 01:24:37,180
energies that have absorbed into the the

1838
01:24:44,670 --> 01:24:40,540
stone walls in the basement but Michael

1839
01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:44,680
wasn't it when you used dissonant tones

1840
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:49,480
that were not compatible tones when you

1841
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:52,210
were creating dissonant harmonics that's

1842
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,730
when we started to kind of shake shake

1843
01:24:58,620 --> 01:24:56,560
things up a little bit in there I I'm a

1844
01:25:02,670 --> 01:24:58,630
little I should have grabbed my field

1845
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:02,680
notes before the the show here but I

1846
01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:04,150
seem to remember that you were doing

1847
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:06,190
sympathetic tones that were in harmonic

1848
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:08,710
intervals to one another and then you

1849
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:11,140
were using notes that were dis

1850
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,810
harmonious and isn't correct me if I'm

1851
01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:15,420
wrong but isn't that when we started

1852
01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:17,740
kind of shaking things up a little bit

1853
01:25:22,830 --> 01:25:20,350
well we were using the tuning fork so we

1854
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:22,840
were putting him up against the actual

1855
01:25:28,510 --> 01:25:24,890
stones themselves so what we were do

1856
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:28,520
is really just injecting sorry

1857
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:30,830
there were sympathetic tones they were

1858
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:34,250
harmonic intervals that were you know

1859
01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:36,110
pleasing to the ear it's when you

1860
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:39,500
started using dissonant tones that that

1861
01:25:45,010 --> 01:25:43,100
at the end of it I think I I seem to

1862
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,020
remember suggesting whoa you know that I

1863
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:47,360
looked at your your keys you know your

1864
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:49,850
notes that you had this one because

1865
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:52,880
b-flat doesn't go with with with G you

1866
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:55,610
know we were using dissonant tones at

1867
01:25:59,230 --> 01:25:57,170
the end of it and I seem to remember

1868
01:26:01,180 --> 01:25:59,240
that's when we we started to shake

1869
01:26:02,710 --> 01:26:01,190
things up in there a little bit you know

1870
01:26:06,610 --> 01:26:02,720
why you might be right because the

1871
01:26:09,460 --> 01:26:06,620
combination of the forks and I've never

1872
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,470
really gotten to many interviews I've

1873
01:26:14,620 --> 01:26:11,840
never really gotten it's nice having you

1874
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:14,630
on because no it's nice having you on

1875
01:26:18,940 --> 01:26:16,580
well because usually usually I'd never

1876
01:26:21,370 --> 01:26:18,950
get to that stage of the discussion

1877
01:26:26,740 --> 01:26:21,380
because I've either lost everyone by the

1878
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:26,750
time we got to it or we've moved you

1879
01:26:35,980 --> 01:26:28,550
were using tuning tuning forks that

1880
01:26:39,690 --> 01:26:35,990
within a a harmonic octave yeah breaking

1881
01:26:42,430 --> 01:26:39,700
up you were using in tones like you

1882
01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:42,440
remember you had one tuning fork that

1883
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:44,060
wasn't in tune with the others and I

1884
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:46,250
said use that one and people have used

1885
01:26:52,810 --> 01:26:49,610
tuning forks for absolute centuries for

1886
01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:52,820
sound healing and you know this isn't a

1887
01:26:58,780 --> 01:26:56,060
new theory is it's more of a new

1888
01:27:02,340 --> 01:26:58,790
application for an old theory like you

1889
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:02,350
know if you look at 1971 the stone tape

1890
01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:05,570
series you can find it on YouTube it was

1891
01:27:08,980 --> 01:27:07,160
an English show done around Christmas

1892
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:08,990
where that you know that company was

1893
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:10,310
trying to come up with a new recording

1894
01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:14,090
medium and budget that English manner

1895
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:17,540
and and realize that the haunting they

1896
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:20,090
were experience was images that were

1897
01:27:24,430 --> 01:27:23,090
trapped in the stones of the manor and

1898
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:24,440
they decided they were going to create a

1899
01:27:29,740 --> 01:27:26,330
new recording medium to compete with the

1900
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:29,750
Japanese based on the hauntings of these

1901
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:35,600
stones it's a famous famous miniseries

1902
01:27:41,449 --> 01:27:38,699
from 1971 you can look it up on you

1903
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:41,459
is called stone kay but anyway yeah and

1904
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:42,900
then you came up with the idea of

1905
01:27:47,419 --> 01:27:45,900
bringing things out of order which well

1906
01:27:51,649 --> 01:27:47,429
why don't you tell him about some of the

1907
01:27:54,379 --> 01:27:51,659
crazy results we were actually I have to

1908
01:27:55,939 --> 01:27:54,389
gotta turn there and we ended up we

1909
01:28:05,600 --> 01:27:55,949
stuck that we stuck the butter knife in

1910
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,610
the the in the violet for sure what I

1911
01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:07,440
remember the last thing that we really

1912
01:28:13,549 --> 01:28:10,409
did in there besides attempting to take

1913
01:28:16,459 --> 01:28:13,559
the EBP axiom the blue and the gold

1914
01:28:18,589 --> 01:28:16,469
shall catch the light so what do we do

1915
01:28:24,430 --> 01:28:18,599
we set up blue and gold lights and they

1916
01:28:28,939 --> 01:28:27,680
that was the first EVP we played and I

1917
01:28:32,299 --> 01:28:28,949
was gonna say that the beauty of that

1918
01:28:34,729 --> 01:28:32,309
EVP today I'm still marveled by how the

1919
01:28:36,620 --> 01:28:34,739
thing took on its own life you know

1920
01:28:39,140 --> 01:28:36,630
you know people stop saying hey this

1921
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:39,150
sounds like a young Irish woman or hey

1922
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:41,159
that you know sounds great or whatever

1923
01:28:44,029 --> 01:28:42,780
all sudden everybody want to know what

1924
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:44,039
the message meant and that became the

1925
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:46,440
whole focus of that EVP I mean they no

1926
01:28:50,359 --> 01:28:48,209
longer even questioned whether or not it

1927
01:28:52,699 --> 01:28:50,369
was a human voice or a human sounding

1928
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:52,709
voice right well of course we're on

1929
01:28:58,250 --> 01:28:55,110
James who was a director of the the

1930
01:29:00,469 --> 01:28:58,260
video project that we were engaged in in

1931
01:29:02,810 --> 01:29:00,479
filming during the investigation of the

1932
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:02,820
Sallie house which you know I think I

1933
01:29:06,140 --> 01:29:04,440
think for some of our listeners are they

1934
01:29:07,219 --> 01:29:06,150
have no idea what the Sallie house is so

1935
01:29:10,399 --> 01:29:07,229
I think at some point we're gonna have

1936
01:29:12,469 --> 01:29:10,409
to kind of give a little explanation of

1937
01:29:15,739 --> 01:29:12,479
what that location is I'll tell you I

1938
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:15,749
it's between that place in Manteno the

1939
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:17,670
manteno state Asylum those are two

1940
01:29:24,169 --> 01:29:19,650
places I really don't want to ever go

1941
01:29:25,729 --> 01:29:24,179
back to you know I've been there and

1942
01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:25,739
done that and helped design the t-shirt

1943
01:29:31,549 --> 01:29:27,900
factory I've been in some really scary

1944
01:29:34,209 --> 01:29:31,559
situations where other people were

1945
01:29:36,979 --> 01:29:34,219
totally freaked out and not handling it

1946
01:29:39,609 --> 01:29:36,989
so you know I've kind of been there and

1947
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:39,619
done that and I consider myself pretty

1948
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:47,280
unflattering and standing there with the

1949
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:50,550
pickman's who were the last inhabitants

1950
01:29:54,649 --> 01:29:52,530
of the house when they were forced out

1951
01:29:56,089 --> 01:29:54,659
energies in there and this was the first

1952
01:29:57,919 --> 01:29:56,099
time they'd ever come back and what

1953
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:57,929
number of years three or four years if I

1954
01:30:04,040 --> 01:29:59,400
remember we were down in the basement

1955
01:30:06,109 --> 01:30:04,050
doing a session with Amy Amy Alan is an

1956
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:06,119
incredible psychic for those of you who

1957
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:08,340
aren't familiar with her she studied

1958
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:11,489
with William role at the Duke

1959
01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:14,610
University's well I think Ryan Center he

1960
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,590
was a disciple you know the protege of

1961
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:19,199
JB Rhine the first great pair of

1962
01:30:25,970 --> 01:30:22,530
psychologists and and Amy was his star

1963
01:30:28,819 --> 01:30:25,980
pupil she trained psychics I have seen

1964
01:30:31,879 --> 01:30:28,829
her do things that absolutely cannot be

1965
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:31,889
explained with rational science first

1966
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,780
let's pick that up in the next segment a

1967
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:35,520
nice little cliffhanger

1968
01:30:40,010 --> 01:30:37,860
yeah well very much I may have to clip

1969
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:40,020
some of it with Jean and Kris you're in

1970
01:30:56,820 --> 01:30:52,090
thank you for listening to GCS

1971
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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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we even have stuff for children stuff

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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sorts of sizes like small up 2x large a

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lot of good stuff that's the swag from

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can hijack the signal of your own key

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2070
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you're listening to the podcast the gold

2071
01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:27,060
as we said it is cliffhanger time on the

2072
01:35:31,919 --> 01:35:29,310
power cast our guest is Michael Esposito

2073
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,929
Chris well anyway we're talking about

2074
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:34,320
the Sallie house and after doing

2075
01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:35,850
disharmonious

2076
01:35:40,620 --> 01:35:38,710
experiments with tuning fork vibrations

2077
01:35:43,169 --> 01:35:40,630
that are being injected into the walls

2078
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:43,179
and and at one point we ended up going

2079
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:45,520
down in this basement where a lot of the

2080
01:35:50,250 --> 01:35:47,650
activity was said to be centered and and

2081
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:50,260
I had my back to all this and I'll tell

2082
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:52,810
you I have never felt sitting there

2083
01:35:56,729 --> 01:35:54,730
holding a camera shot in and if you look

2084
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:56,739
at the footage today you can see my hand

2085
01:36:02,189 --> 01:35:59,920
this my hands are slightly shaking it

2086
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:02,199
felt like a like a I don't know how to

2087
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:05,110
describe it it's like an ice-cold arm

2088
01:36:11,459 --> 01:36:09,489
reached into my body and gently grabbed

2089
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:11,469
a hold of my heart and then slowly

2090
01:36:18,990 --> 01:36:15,340
started to squeeze and right as I'm

2091
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:19,000
finishing you know this shot I was about

2092
01:36:23,250 --> 01:36:21,040
ready to just bolt out of the basement

2093
01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:23,260
Amy says we have to leave right now

2094
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:26,230
everybody out and I'll tell you I was I

2095
01:36:29,970 --> 01:36:28,210
was the last one up the stairs but I

2096
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:29,980
kept filming the whole way I was going

2097
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:32,710
and Michael what you know I was

2098
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:34,870
incapacitated I couldn't move for about

2099
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:37,840
20 minutes I just sat and this has never

2100
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:39,850
happened to me before since in any

2101
01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:43,570
investigation I was drained of my energy

2102
01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:46,840
I developed a pounding headache I I just

2103
01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:49,900
lay there trying to calm myself and

2104
01:36:53,550 --> 01:36:52,390
breathe in and out deeply do you

2105
01:36:55,649 --> 01:36:53,560
remember what happened to the other

2106
01:36:58,050 --> 01:36:55,659
people including yourself down the

2107
01:36:59,399 --> 01:36:58,060
basement we almost called 9-1-1 on you

2108
01:37:02,640 --> 01:36:59,409
thought you were having a heart attack

2109
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,650
tony who had left after that to go get

2110
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:04,960
the kids some pizzas for dinner and then

2111
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,090
come back and he had pulled over to

2112
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:09,760
sight the road I guess he pulled over

2113
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:11,650
side row and gone I was just vomiting

2114
01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:14,409
and vomiting and vomiting when Amy and I

2115
01:37:20,459 --> 01:37:17,350
both got back we suffered severe

2116
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:20,469
flu-like symptoms for two weeks straight

2117
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:22,750
and then I just ended one day because I

2118
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:25,980
was in tight contact with her about it

2119
01:37:31,229 --> 01:37:29,170
almost at the same time it just ended

2120
01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:31,239
for us you know but it was like just a

2121
01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:32,140
horrible

2122
01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:36,580
really did we really stuck the butter

2123
01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:38,230
knife in the socket on that one

2124
01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:40,750
all I'm saying is I'm sure glad that Amy

2125
01:37:45,090 --> 01:37:42,910
said we have to leave now because I was

2126
01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:45,100
if she hadn't said that I would have

2127
01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:46,360
dashed out of there and that would have

2128
01:37:50,490 --> 01:37:49,150
been the only time ever in all the years

2129
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:50,500
that I've been on any sort of

2130
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:52,960
investigation that I've screwed the

2131
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:55,690
pooch and dropped the ball so I'm proud

2132
01:37:59,490 --> 01:37:57,370
of myself for holding that shot as long

2133
01:38:02,730 --> 01:37:59,500
as I did not we have not ever broadcast

2134
01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:02,740
the footage that we got including me

2135
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:06,460
interviewing Tony Pickman and he all of

2136
01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:07,570
a sudden right in the middle of the

2137
01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:09,790
interview he goes oh no and bloody

2138
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:12,520
Feroze start to appear at his scalp line

2139
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:15,250
and start coming down his forehead yeah

2140
01:38:21,300 --> 01:38:16,690
I just you know I don't know when Ron's

2141
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:21,310
ever gonna release footage but you know

2142
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:22,930
there are I don't care what anybody says

2143
01:38:28,050 --> 01:38:25,090
out there I and I was a real skeptic

2144
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:28,060
before I got involved in investigating

2145
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:31,540
these places you know now I've actually

2146
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:33,040
done quite a number of them including

2147
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:36,070
here in Jerome Arizona two towns over

2148
01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:38,050
for me just one of the most haunted

2149
01:38:43,230 --> 01:38:41,200
sites in America haunted towns I was a

2150
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:43,240
real skeptic and I I didn't really I

2151
01:38:47,070 --> 01:38:45,460
thought all this was dumb and stupid and

2152
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,080
you know kind of it was just people's

2153
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:49,600
imaginations and you know people

2154
01:38:57,620 --> 01:38:52,150
freaking out and stuff and not I never

2155
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:00,360
is unflappable he goes into some of

2156
01:39:04,140 --> 01:39:02,830
these places and you know even seasoned

2157
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:04,150
investigators to kind of get in the

2158
01:39:06,540 --> 01:39:04,690
willies and

2159
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:06,550
he's walking around like nothing's

2160
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:08,650
happening but how did you feel in that

2161
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:10,600
Sallie house basement I I never really

2162
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:13,330
have asked you you know what your

2163
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:15,850
feelings were right at that last like

2164
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:17,950
three or four minute period it was it

2165
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:19,630
was getting pretty dicey at the end

2166
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:22,420
there and to say the least but yeah I

2167
01:39:30,270 --> 01:39:25,620
got been in so many dicey situations I I

2168
01:39:32,130 --> 01:39:30,280
literally think that I need to make

2169
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,140
myself more innocent to make myself more

2170
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:34,480
open to things you know the one thing

2171
01:39:41,130 --> 01:39:36,850
that worries me is that I'm going to

2172
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:41,140
become so jaded and literally to the

2173
01:39:45,509 --> 01:39:43,770
place where I'm shutting out evidence

2174
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:45,519
because

2175
01:39:49,649 --> 01:39:47,110
I'm just so used to it you know I mean

2176
01:39:51,029 --> 01:39:49,659
yeah yeah oh yeah it's like you know

2177
01:39:52,799 --> 01:39:51,039
it's like wouldn't you step too far over

2178
01:39:55,410 --> 01:39:52,809
the veil it's no longer stepping across

2179
01:39:57,419 --> 01:39:55,420
the veil it's you know just here but

2180
01:40:00,379 --> 01:39:57,429
just to give the audience a couple

2181
01:40:03,839 --> 01:40:00,389
things to bite on about some of the

2182
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:03,849
harsher EVPs from the Sallie house why

2183
01:40:09,509 --> 01:40:05,650
don't we play a couple of that I got

2184
01:40:12,779 --> 01:40:09,519
here a little harsher ones for them like

2185
01:40:13,259 --> 01:40:12,789
died year no go ahead queue them up gene

2186
01:40:15,629 --> 01:40:13,269
Oh

2187
01:40:18,270 --> 01:40:15,639
die here it sounds like a die-hard movie

2188
01:40:19,919 --> 01:40:18,280
oh this is a loud one all right folks

2189
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:19,929
this is gonna blow away your eardrums

2190
01:40:25,290 --> 01:40:22,090
you're ready to have your eardrums blown

2191
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:25,300
away well we're gonna do it on the power

2192
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:49,119
oh that's the kind of thing that leaves

2193
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:53,110
people speechless well yeah I didn't

2194
01:40:56,669 --> 01:40:54,340
hear a thing so I've been waiting for

2195
01:41:00,930 --> 01:40:56,679
somebody to say something I the playback

2196
01:41:02,220 --> 01:41:00,940
isn't working on my end hear what you

2197
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:02,230
hear what you hear is you hear two

2198
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:05,260
voices one what I call the hag she goes

2199
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,650
die here and then you hear the panicked

2200
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:10,480
woman at the end so you know you hear it

2201
01:41:15,209 --> 01:41:12,489
kind of RAD chop it go what what what

2202
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:15,219
either why here or die here but real

2203
01:41:19,739 --> 01:41:16,590
loud

2204
01:41:22,609 --> 01:41:19,749
well why here I use that in one of the

2205
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:22,619
pieces in Medea right exactly

2206
01:41:30,419 --> 01:41:25,980
okay so this is not a die hard movie

2207
01:41:35,729 --> 01:41:30,429
definitely not back in bad jokes you're

2208
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,739
gonna be dying there believe me I'll

2209
01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:37,360
beat you I'll beat you about the neck

2210
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:39,940
and shoulders I'm taller than you Chris

2211
01:41:44,220 --> 01:41:42,010
it doesn't matter I'm bigger than you

2212
01:41:46,529 --> 01:41:44,230
and tougher well you're bigger than me

2213
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,539
and weight sure you press weigh like 30

2214
01:41:51,689 --> 01:41:49,360
pounds more than me yeah yeah and

2215
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:51,699
believe me I've been watching my UFC and

2216
01:41:58,379 --> 01:41:56,800
practicing my my punching okay well the

2217
01:42:01,489 --> 01:41:58,389
black belt is not going to count for

2218
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,600
while I'm bring you a black and blue

2219
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:05,679
belt I'll leave it I'll leap with you

2220
01:42:11,489 --> 01:42:08,650
how's that this is gonna be the violin

2221
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:11,499
cast instead of the para cast well it's

2222
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:13,570
you know come on Jean a little gravitas

2223
01:42:18,839 --> 01:42:16,719
here I mean this is serious stuff I

2224
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:18,849
don't care what you think I know you you

2225
01:42:23,129 --> 01:42:21,280
probably you've left led such a

2226
01:42:25,919 --> 01:42:23,139
sheltered life you've never actually

2227
01:42:28,830 --> 01:42:25,929
gone into a place that had stuff that

2228
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:28,840
could actually you know change your view

2229
01:42:34,350 --> 01:42:31,679
of reality and and shift your paradigm

2230
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:34,360
to the extent that Michael has and and

2231
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,300
to a lesser extent that I have I've been

2232
01:42:42,569 --> 01:42:39,119
to a few weird places in my lifetime

2233
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:42,579
yeah but your bedroom doesn't count what

2234
01:42:46,919 --> 01:42:44,530
we didn't like get into that especially

2235
01:42:48,779 --> 01:42:46,929
my office that is considered to be weird

2236
01:42:51,450 --> 01:42:48,789
we were supposed to be doing serious

2237
01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:51,460
stuff here we're now bantering but

2238
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,230
seriously I look forward to hearing the

2239
01:42:56,879 --> 01:42:54,880
next recording you want to do one more

2240
01:42:58,109 --> 01:42:56,889
before we break for the second you got

2241
01:43:00,509 --> 01:42:58,119
some good ones there man

2242
01:43:04,049 --> 01:43:00,519
let's do we'll meet you in hell or we

2243
01:43:05,939 --> 01:43:04,059
can say hell right oh sure yeah we could

2244
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:05,949
say hell and black in a give jean hell

2245
01:43:10,979 --> 01:43:09,610
tomorrow when I see him well you and

2246
01:43:13,130 --> 01:43:10,989
which are me okay you're ready for this

2247
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:13,140
folks

2248
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:14,400
[Music]

2249
01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:21,060
I'll tell you honestly I don't hear any

2250
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:25,900
voices a meaningful way I just hear it

2251
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:29,280
is loud for a thing so play it again

2252
01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:31,330
okay I'm playing it one more time it's

2253
01:43:35,850 --> 01:43:34,360
full volume folks here again do you hear

2254
01:43:37,110 --> 01:43:35,860
a voice

2255
01:43:41,930 --> 01:43:37,120
[Music]

2256
01:43:50,270 --> 01:43:45,270
anyway let's move on let's try then

2257
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:56,900
[Applause]

2258
01:44:04,910 --> 01:44:01,390
I sort of heard that was too low

2259
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:04,920
okay Chris is gonna hear this on the

2260
01:44:09,980 --> 01:44:07,070
play back when it comes to my house

2261
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:09,990
because unfortunately the way we had to

2262
01:44:18,980 --> 01:44:14,010
set this up to play this seamlessly on

2263
01:44:20,570 --> 01:44:18,990
the show the audio doesn't go back to

2264
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,580
the output device don't ask me to

2265
01:44:25,850 --> 01:44:24,000
explain that there's no sense to it but

2266
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:25,860
we'll work out a better way next thing

2267
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:27,210
we have to do sounds and things like

2268
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,650
that in any case we've got four more

2269
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:33,360
segments and some questions from you

2270
01:44:40,130 --> 01:44:36,290
listeners of michael esposito

2271
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:40,140
we also have more of those audio clips

2272
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:42,570
and hopefully you'll hear voices that

2273
01:44:47,810 --> 01:44:44,250
you can understand some of them they're

2274
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:47,820
really really clear and that makes them

2275
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we're talking about EVPs is really hard

2286
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audios that Michael Esposito has

2287
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:24,240
captured over the years and more of them

2288
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2345
01:48:13,419 --> 01:48:11,080
[Music]

2346
01:48:15,930 --> 01:48:13,429
Chris is right now preparing his

2347
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:15,940
favorite karate chop for me tomorrow

2348
01:48:22,990 --> 01:48:20,080
yeah let's keep it keep it let's keep it

2349
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:23,000
you know keep the gravitas happening

2350
01:48:27,970 --> 01:48:26,810
Michael what have we missed well what

2351
01:48:31,410 --> 01:48:27,980
you want to cover that we haven't

2352
01:48:33,820 --> 01:48:31,420
covered about five hours with the stuff

2353
01:48:36,609 --> 01:48:33,830
what do you know a lot of people think

2354
01:48:39,459 --> 01:48:36,619
EVPs are just voices I've always found

2355
01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:39,469
that some of my favorite EVPs we're

2356
01:48:44,979 --> 01:48:41,710
actually not voices at all but sounds

2357
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:44,989
animals or weird music coming from

2358
01:48:48,879 --> 01:48:47,570
nowhere and I've got a really great

2359
01:48:51,580 --> 01:48:48,889
example I don't know if you've heard

2360
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:51,590
this one Chris you may like this one but

2361
01:49:01,870 --> 01:48:58,280
we were invited to go and do research at

2362
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:01,880
the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago you know

2363
01:49:07,330 --> 01:49:05,900
dr. Fischer though it was famous for

2364
01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:07,340
working at Lincoln Park Zoo who's always

2365
01:49:12,580 --> 01:49:09,940
on ray Rayner with his animals and stuff

2366
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:12,590
we were in his office he's long since

2367
01:49:20,490 --> 01:49:16,100
been dead but it's about this picture is

2368
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:20,500
a two o'clock in the morning you know

2369
01:49:24,910 --> 01:49:22,850
you know completely dark everything

2370
01:49:28,419 --> 01:49:24,920
turned off no electricity nothing going

2371
01:49:30,340 --> 01:49:28,429
on no radios nothing like that it's two

2372
01:49:33,850 --> 01:49:30,350
o'clock in the morning in dr. Fisher's

2373
01:49:37,149 --> 01:49:33,860
office at the zoo and I capture this

2374
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:37,159
recording and if you queue up weird

2375
01:49:42,729 --> 01:49:40,670
music detail you'll hear something once

2376
01:49:45,939 --> 01:49:42,739
we play it will explain to you the back

2377
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:45,949
story on it what's name of this clip

2378
01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:50,090
again weird music detail Brady and

2379
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:52,760
there's no words at all in it it's very

2380
01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:54,520
low folk so let me do a little

2381
01:49:59,700 --> 01:49:57,190
trickery here I'm gonna do some trickery

2382
01:50:01,920 --> 01:49:59,710
before we play this clip I'm going to

2383
01:50:04,740 --> 01:50:01,930
take care of the volume I'm gonna blow

2384
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:04,750
it up about they're probably gonna have

2385
01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:07,690
a lot of history so kay there it is okay

2386
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:08,860
this is gonna have a lot of background

2387
01:50:22,890 --> 01:50:11,650
noise because I just blew this up quite

2388
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:34,450
[Music]

2389
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:42,760
I didn't hear anything except the line

2390
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:48,290
noise well there it is and Chris will

2391
01:50:51,130 --> 01:50:50,210
hear the full thing when he checks out

2392
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,140
for playback

2393
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:53,360
I think another idea - that we might

2394
01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:56,570
utilize Jean and Michel is to go ahead

2395
01:51:02,740 --> 01:50:59,780
and post these EVPs that we featured

2396
01:51:07,300 --> 01:51:02,750
here on the show post them at forum dr.

2397
01:51:09,930 --> 01:51:07,310
Peric ascom on the show thread just go

2398
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,940
to the podcast forum go to the thread

2399
01:51:14,770 --> 01:51:12,320
talk about the show with michael

2400
01:51:18,459 --> 01:51:14,780
esposito and we'll go ahead and and give

2401
01:51:20,890 --> 01:51:18,469
some you know non-broadcast versions of

2402
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:20,900
these EVPs so that you can hear them off

2403
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:23,150
your own computer without any any sort

2404
01:51:28,150 --> 01:51:25,130
of buffering and filtering all the

2405
01:51:30,940 --> 01:51:28,160
things that take place between you know

2406
01:51:32,590 --> 01:51:30,950
the show and your your ears and

2407
01:51:35,290 --> 01:51:32,600
listening to the broadcast so we'll have

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01:51:37,330 --> 01:51:35,300
those up front and center for you it

2409
01:51:40,300 --> 01:51:37,340
would be ok here because we only playing

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like a third of them put the whole kit

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and caboodle up there before everything

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I'll put everything up there and I'll

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01:51:51,490 --> 01:51:48,650
either do them as separate files or one

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collection that you can download and

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01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:53,420
maybe what we'll do is we'll stick it in

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01:51:58,540 --> 01:51:55,850
the para cast plus so if you're a member

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01:52:01,780 --> 01:51:58,550
of the para cast plus we'll make

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available in a special thread all of

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01:52:08,290 --> 01:52:05,480
these files for you right now hearing it

2420
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,300
playback Jean did were you able to hear

2421
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:10,880
organ music or a strange Calliope type

2422
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:14,090
music I was indeed our listeners will to

2423
01:52:18,459 --> 01:52:16,190
understand they're having difficulty

2424
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:18,469
because of the logistics of what we're

2425
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:19,730
trying to do and I have to look for a

2426
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:22,400
better way of doing it anything Michael

2427
01:52:26,979 --> 01:52:24,650
on my end I'm not hearing any of the

2428
01:52:32,890 --> 01:52:26,989
play backs at all I may have heard just

2429
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:32,900
a shade of one but but I think you are

2430
01:52:41,490 --> 01:52:34,850
Chris yeah I'm getting nothing to so I

2431
01:52:46,069 --> 01:52:45,550
project for seven years but exactly but

2432
01:52:48,500 --> 01:52:46,079
anyway

2433
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,510
the interesting thing about that is so

2434
01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:50,239
the music sounds like a lot like a

2435
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:53,400
Calliope or maybe a merry-go-round

2436
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:56,489
correct the only merry-go-round in the

2437
01:53:01,580 --> 01:52:58,530
park was on the other side of the park

2438
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,590
which is literally a mile away and it

2439
01:53:04,850 --> 01:53:03,599
wasn't done of course because it was all

2440
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:04,860
shut down it was two o'clock in the

2441
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:09,719
morning but find out that at one point a

2442
01:53:15,879 --> 01:53:12,690
long long time ago where dr. Fisher's

2443
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:15,889
office is the merry-go-round it's it and

2444
01:53:24,339 --> 01:53:20,730
that weird kind of 70s you know organ or

2445
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:24,349
Calliope music if you will that sound is

2446
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,110
actually from the location where many

2447
01:53:33,649 --> 01:53:30,239
many many years ago the merry-go-round

2448
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:33,659
did sit oh I see wow that's wow that's

2449
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:36,690
intriguing so that would lend credence

2450
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:40,290
to the assumption I guess that you were

2451
01:53:46,459 --> 01:53:43,920
picking up something from when the Clyde

2452
01:53:48,620 --> 01:53:46,469
piece ound the merry-go-round used to be

2453
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:48,630
right by the officer because obviously

2454
01:53:52,700 --> 01:53:50,940
today if it's a mile away you're not

2455
01:53:54,740 --> 01:53:52,710
going to be able to hear it even if the

2456
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,750
winds coming in in your direction from

2457
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:56,639
the Calliope yeah you're not gonna be

2458
01:53:59,959 --> 01:53:58,530
able to hear it so that's that's

2459
01:54:01,040 --> 01:53:59,969
interesting yeah and you're right no I

2460
01:54:05,419 --> 01:54:01,050
haven't heard that

2461
01:54:08,330 --> 01:54:05,429
how often do EVPs feature other sounds

2462
01:54:10,700 --> 01:54:08,340
rather than human voices I mean could

2463
01:54:11,930 --> 01:54:10,710
you put some sort of percentage on it it

2464
01:54:14,660 --> 01:54:11,940
would seem to me it's a fairly small

2465
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:14,670
percentage I put it about 5% of their

2466
01:54:18,049 --> 01:54:16,290
rare RV there were enough that I find

2467
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:18,059
after all the EVPs and all the voices

2468
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:21,210
are you're almost on a daily basis basis

2469
01:54:26,209 --> 01:54:24,690
I heard voices on a daily basis yeah you

2470
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:26,219
know when I when I capture something

2471
01:54:32,270 --> 01:54:29,690
that I I know to be like an unknown

2472
01:54:35,390 --> 01:54:32,280
animal sound that shouldn't exist or

2473
01:54:40,459 --> 01:54:35,400
unknown well you know even women wailing

2474
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:40,469
or crying or sobbing or gunshots we've

2475
01:54:47,660 --> 01:54:45,409
got cannon shots at battle grounds the

2476
01:54:50,450 --> 01:54:47,670
Calliope music or the the merry-go-round

2477
01:54:52,069 --> 01:54:50,460
music rather what I capture stuff like

2478
01:54:55,370 --> 01:54:52,079
that I get fairly excited about it

2479
01:54:57,290 --> 01:54:55,380
because I'm so used to the voices in

2480
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,300
EVPs when I capture something that I

2481
01:55:02,540 --> 01:54:59,040
consider you know

2482
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:02,550
we're or five percenter you know to me

2483
01:55:07,580 --> 01:55:04,650
that's that's that's striking a little

2484
01:55:09,590 --> 01:55:07,590
bit of gold yeah I seem to remember you

2485
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:09,600
had one that had chickens in it or like

2486
01:55:13,340 --> 01:55:12,570
a rooster crowing if I remember yeah I

2487
01:55:16,220 --> 01:55:13,350
think so

2488
01:55:19,900 --> 01:55:16,230
I think possibly I got so many I got

2489
01:55:22,940 --> 01:55:19,910
tens and tens tens of thousands of EVPs

2490
01:55:25,460 --> 01:55:22,950
some of the more interesting ones I mean

2491
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:25,470
obviously at the Museum purgatory Souls

2492
01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:27,960
that woman just screaming bloody murder

2493
01:55:40,010 --> 01:55:33,030
is just amazing that you hear in the the

2494
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,020
composition some other Class A EVPs that

2495
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:42,480
you've down you know uploaded to gene

2496
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:44,850
what what other ones you want to go

2497
01:55:50,410 --> 01:55:49,500
ahead and and present let's try the dead

2498
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:50,420
are here

2499
01:55:59,150 --> 01:55:55,980
that was from Luann's farm yeah earth to

2500
01:56:05,090 --> 01:55:59,160
gene this is a very fast one folks

2501
01:56:10,580 --> 01:56:05,100
here it is so you do hear the words the

2502
01:56:18,170 --> 01:56:10,590
dead are here say it one more time sure

2503
01:56:20,090 --> 01:56:18,180
one more time I turn my speaker volume

2504
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:20,100
way up and I did hear something but I

2505
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,650
couldn't make it out now the interesting

2506
01:56:27,260 --> 01:56:24,960
thing about EVP stories is there don't

2507
01:56:31,370 --> 01:56:27,270
seem to have to follow constraints

2508
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:31,380
within time some of them are very fast

2509
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:34,080
some of them are slow a lot of types of

2510
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:38,760
meters off on them a lot of times parts

2511
01:56:44,150 --> 01:56:40,410
of them in forward some of them are

2512
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:44,160
partially or all in Reverse so they they

2513
01:56:50,570 --> 01:56:46,850
don't follow the same mechanics of

2514
01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:50,580
regular sound recording you know or what

2515
01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:53,630
we would to be a normal or true sound

2516
01:56:58,990 --> 01:56:56,850
which is always really interesting fact

2517
01:57:02,810 --> 01:56:59,000
right next to that there's one that's I

2518
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:02,820
might be English I think it's a fairly

2519
01:57:09,190 --> 01:57:05,610
interesting one to tell you what we'll

2520
01:57:10,770 --> 01:57:09,200
do that sound in our next segment okay

2521
01:57:13,260 --> 01:57:10,780
give you a sin

2522
01:57:16,529 --> 01:57:13,270
of what we have and give you an idea of

2523
01:57:19,260 --> 01:57:16,539
the various options this one's very

2524
01:57:20,250 --> 01:57:19,270
short one so we'll play it in the next

2525
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:20,260
segment we're talking to Michael

2526
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:25,210
Esposito about these incredible sounds

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that he is recorded and we'll present

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them the complete collection the members

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2641
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para cast calm so right now I'm gonna

2642
02:02:17,910 --> 02:02:16,210
play that clip that Michaels talking

2643
02:02:21,690 --> 02:02:17,920
about might be English we'll try it

2644
02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:21,700
twice because is only about one and a

2645
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:29,230
half seconds one more time and what they

2646
02:02:35,370 --> 02:02:33,370
say is they might be English what's the

2647
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:35,380
background of this one that's from the

2648
02:02:40,590 --> 02:02:37,150
Potawatomi burial mound where they

2649
02:02:42,450 --> 02:02:40,600
buried the Dutch settlers so if you

2650
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:42,460
listen to it very closely you hear sort

2651
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:44,110
of the Dutch accent father we also got

2652
02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:47,410
stuff in German yeah well if you will

2653
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:52,360
and and also some of the the Potawatomi

2654
02:02:57,890 --> 02:02:55,450
so we had various time eras like

2655
02:03:00,450 --> 02:02:57,900
bleeding through you know our recordings

2656
02:03:03,870 --> 02:03:00,460
which I thought was quite interesting

2657
02:03:06,060 --> 02:03:03,880
also on there and this would be a kind

2658
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:06,070
of a nice interesting one for a kind of

2659
02:03:13,860 --> 02:03:10,570
a segment here if you look at I will

2660
02:03:17,340 --> 02:03:13,870
never leave Chris this one's from

2661
02:03:19,590 --> 02:03:17,350
manteno alright I will never leave here

2662
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:19,600
it is right here and this clip by the

2663
02:03:25,290 --> 02:03:21,790
way is very low in volume so what I'm

2664
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:25,300
going to do before we actually play it

2665
02:03:31,050 --> 02:03:27,730
is to do a little volume enhancement

2666
02:03:35,460 --> 02:03:31,060
there okay so the only change here is

2667
02:03:39,420 --> 02:03:35,470
I'm enhancing the volume of I will never

2668
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:42,130
let me try it one more time I cannot

2669
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:49,560
sounds like the Rorschach test here

2670
02:03:54,730 --> 02:03:52,130
Michael because I could not understand

2671
02:03:58,660 --> 02:03:54,740
any of those words and maybe it's my

2672
02:04:00,640 --> 02:03:58,670
hearing but then I'm not a people here

2673
02:04:02,620 --> 02:04:00,650
are comfortable at different frequency

2674
02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:02,630
ranges you know like you you always hear

2675
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,510
the common argument from women that my

2676
02:04:10,210 --> 02:04:07,760
husband never listens to me there's a

2677
02:04:13,570 --> 02:04:10,220
good chance a lot of times he doesn't

2678
02:04:16,450 --> 02:04:13,580
hear her or very well anyway because

2679
02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:16,460
certain people have certain frequency

2680
02:04:20,170 --> 02:04:18,560
ranges that they're comfortable in

2681
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:20,180
hearing and they can hear real easily

2682
02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:23,210
and other ones you know like someone you

2683
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:24,950
think you're speaking clearly to ask you

2684
02:04:28,980 --> 02:04:26,270
repeat something three or four times

2685
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:28,990
there's a good chance that they're it's

2686
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:31,850
in a frequency level or a combination of

2687
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:34,850
frequencies that that they don't work in

2688
02:04:40,030 --> 02:04:37,130
comfortably and they do miss it or all

2689
02:04:41,740 --> 02:04:40,040
out of it so yeah a lot of times some of

2690
02:04:43,570 --> 02:04:41,750
the EVPs people don't hear some other

2691
02:04:46,450 --> 02:04:43,580
people say oh you're that perfectly and

2692
02:04:48,340 --> 02:04:46,460
it doesn't bother me anymore because I'm

2693
02:04:51,220 --> 02:04:48,350
so used to it I understand how it works

2694
02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:51,230
you know another one from that same

2695
02:04:56,890 --> 02:04:53,570
investigation is they don't die you

2696
02:04:59,320 --> 02:04:56,900
might want to try that one okay I have

2697
02:05:01,540 --> 02:04:59,330
to look through like about sure in 15 of

2698
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:01,550
these this one also I'm going to do what

2699
02:05:04,900 --> 02:05:03,050
we can I don't have to do it you have

2700
02:05:07,210 --> 02:05:04,910
two channels of sound one of which is

2701
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:07,220
very loud one of which is not but since

2702
02:05:13,260 --> 02:05:08,690
our listeners are hearing this in mono

2703
02:05:18,790 --> 02:05:16,990
something about pain or suffering there

2704
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:18,800
were two EVP so that one says they don't

2705
02:05:23,530 --> 02:05:21,170
die all right well this one is entitled

2706
02:05:25,690 --> 02:05:23,540
they don't die but I hear it about pain

2707
02:05:27,340 --> 02:05:25,700
and suffering there's also something

2708
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:27,350
there about pain or suffering I just

2709
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:30,320
hear they don't dies cuz that actually

2710
02:05:36,490 --> 02:05:34,250
might be reverse it just mislabeled okay

2711
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:36,500
well I won't die trying to find out what

2712
02:05:39,460 --> 02:05:37,250
happened there

2713
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:39,470
right but I do want to bring up about

2714
02:05:44,110 --> 02:05:42,560
that is I'm doing a box I did a series

2715
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:44,120
of flexes or I've been working on a

2716
02:05:48,700 --> 02:05:46,370
series of flexi records which are like

2717
02:05:50,260 --> 02:05:48,710
the flimsy records or some sheets they

2718
02:05:51,339 --> 02:05:50,270
used to come in magazines or in the back

2719
02:05:54,399 --> 02:05:51,349
of cereal boxes

2720
02:05:56,979 --> 02:05:54,409
and I'm doing a box of the ones I've

2721
02:06:00,040 --> 02:05:56,989
done over the last five years and some

2722
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:00,050
of them aren't available anymore there's

2723
02:06:06,819 --> 02:06:02,800
one that my brother and I did on on

2724
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:06,829
manteno Asylum and what we wanted to do

2725
02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:10,250
is is in all my work I give what I try

2726
02:06:17,260 --> 02:06:12,530
and keep as truism as far as reference

2727
02:06:21,330 --> 02:06:17,270
and make sure everything's portrayed in

2728
02:06:22,450 --> 02:06:21,340
a scientific or or pure manner and

2729
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:22,460
Manteo

2730
02:06:30,939 --> 02:06:26,090
was a great asylum because they they

2731
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:30,949
tested Thorazine there they had a lot of

2732
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:34,940
schizophrenic there and some reports

2733
02:06:42,609 --> 02:06:39,010
that have just recently come out about

2734
02:06:45,129 --> 02:06:42,619
schizophrenic from a couple of the East

2735
02:06:49,089 --> 02:06:45,139
Coast universities a big one was Yale a

2736
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:49,099
big dissertation came out talking about

2737
02:06:54,220 --> 02:06:52,070
how schizophrenic suffered what they

2738
02:06:55,780 --> 02:06:54,230
call the housekeeper dilemma in other

2739
02:06:58,419 --> 02:06:55,790
words the housekeeper cleans the house

2740
02:07:00,129 --> 02:06:58,429
turns around it's dirty again they can't

2741
02:07:01,780 --> 02:07:00,139
seem to organize the world where a

2742
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:01,790
rational person when they're in a new

2743
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:04,010
environment they organize their

2744
02:07:09,250 --> 02:07:06,250
environment to be able to function in it

2745
02:07:11,550 --> 02:07:09,260
what the housekeeper suffers is never

2746
02:07:13,870 --> 02:07:11,560
being able to toe or the schizophrenic

2747
02:07:15,790 --> 02:07:13,880
suffers has never be able to organize

2748
02:07:17,379 --> 02:07:15,800
the world that there are ends and can't

2749
02:07:20,290 --> 02:07:17,389
function it a lot of schizophrenics

2750
02:07:23,740 --> 02:07:20,300
claim that ghosts or spirits have stoled

2751
02:07:27,129 --> 02:07:23,750
their thoughts or stole their thoughts

2752
02:07:31,290 --> 02:07:27,139
and put words in their mouths and things

2753
02:07:34,379 --> 02:07:31,300
like that and a lot of the physical

2754
02:07:40,030 --> 02:07:34,389
twitches and things have been somehow

2755
02:07:41,290 --> 02:07:40,040
linked to pre death throes so what

2756
02:07:42,910 --> 02:07:41,300
they're saying and what some of these

2757
02:07:45,060 --> 02:07:42,920
psychologists are saying in though they

2758
02:07:47,589 --> 02:07:45,070
believe that possibly schizophrenics

2759
02:07:49,959 --> 02:07:47,599
actually have one foot on both sides of

2760
02:07:52,209 --> 02:07:49,969
the veil in other words they're

2761
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:52,219
constantly flip-flopping between the

2762
02:07:56,379 --> 02:07:54,530
living and the dead and they can never

2763
02:07:58,000 --> 02:07:56,389
seem to organize their world so they

2764
02:07:59,740 --> 02:07:58,010
never really know whether or not they're

2765
02:08:02,589 --> 02:07:59,750
dealing in the living of the world of

2766
02:08:04,780 --> 02:08:02,599
living or the world of the dead now

2767
02:08:07,810 --> 02:08:04,790
take it one step further

2768
02:08:09,940 --> 02:08:07,820
LSD was actually used initially as a

2769
02:08:14,500 --> 02:08:09,950
treatment for schizophrenia and it

2770
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:14,510
actually literal was deemed to represent

2771
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:18,110
her to portray what schizophrenics go

2772
02:08:24,970 --> 02:08:20,960
through and from that psychedelic music

2773
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:24,980
was used to represent what an LSD trip

2774
02:08:31,900 --> 02:08:28,490
was and so my brother died an album with

2775
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:31,910
EVPs or manteno and we put together some

2776
02:08:38,620 --> 02:08:35,570
compositions of psychedelic music to go

2777
02:08:40,780 --> 02:08:38,630
with it and I really a big lecture on

2778
02:08:42,460 --> 02:08:40,790
the inside now the Flexi is no longer

2779
02:08:44,860 --> 02:08:42,470
available but it is available as a

2780
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:44,870
download and I wanted to include that in

2781
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:46,970
the box set so what I did is I had the

2782
02:08:55,870 --> 02:08:51,290
cover of the album repressed or the

2783
02:08:59,020 --> 02:08:55,880
Flexi and I sent it to a zane Cassie who

2784
02:09:03,460 --> 02:08:59,030
you might knows as dad was Marchetti of

2785
02:09:04,510 --> 02:09:03,470
the Merry Pranksters he wrote One Flew

2786
02:09:07,420 --> 02:09:04,520
Over the Cuckoo's Nest

2787
02:09:10,690 --> 02:09:07,430
well that was Ken Kesey Ken Kesey that

2788
02:09:13,510 --> 02:09:10,700
not Mark Kenton so Ken Kesey's son Zane

2789
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:13,520
has one of the who was actually a few

2790
02:09:18,820 --> 02:09:16,880
years older than I am was actually a kid

2791
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:18,830
on the Magic Bus and stuff you know they

2792
02:09:26,220 --> 02:09:21,530
was their credit it was stunning Ty Ty

2793
02:09:30,070 --> 02:09:26,230
and Tim Larry and the destination

2794
02:09:34,270 --> 02:09:30,080
indicated as further further correct

2795
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:34,280
further exactly too far away from

2796
02:09:40,540 --> 02:09:37,610
manteno Michael but we must kind of

2797
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:40,550
bring our listeners up to speed this is

2798
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:45,170
the first of the super institutions for

2799
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:47,450
the mentally insane in the early 1900s

2800
02:09:52,810 --> 02:09:49,760
it's where they first performed frontal

2801
02:09:56,580 --> 02:09:52,820
lobe lobotomies where Thorazine was

2802
02:09:59,470 --> 02:09:56,590
first tested and developed where

2803
02:10:03,400 --> 02:09:59,480
electroshock therapy techniques were

2804
02:10:05,670 --> 02:10:03,410
were developed also where extreme hot

2805
02:10:08,700 --> 02:10:05,680
and cold water or hydrotherapy

2806
02:10:11,530 --> 02:10:08,710
treatments shock treatments were were

2807
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:11,540
were first utilized and and those

2808
02:10:18,390 --> 02:10:13,210
techniques and

2809
02:10:20,910 --> 02:10:18,400
duh testing yes let's do our break and

2810
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,920
then we'll have more of this and we have

2811
02:10:25,110 --> 02:10:22,480
some questions from listeners that Kris

2812
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:25,120
will get into sometime in the next two

2813
02:10:39,020 --> 02:10:28,000
segments with Jean and Kris you're in

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comes in occasionally and raises heck

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alright Chris come on I don't know about

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raising hell maybe perhaps if you're

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involved yeah yeah generally I raise

2926
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hell thank you

2927
02:15:40,370 --> 02:15:37,200
I'll look up I'll look up our questions

2928
02:15:43,610 --> 02:15:40,380
but you know I wanted to you know kind

2929
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of you know the zero zero in on man Tina

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manteno a little bit more because when

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we went there and what was it 2006 I

2932
02:15:55,280 --> 02:15:53,490
think Michael 2005 the 1200 buildings

2933
02:15:59,020 --> 02:15:55,290
that used to be part of this huge

2934
02:16:06,140 --> 02:15:59,030
complex had for the most part all been

2935
02:16:09,190 --> 02:16:06,150
you know knocked down the repurposed the

2936
02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:09,200
facility had been abandoned basically

2937
02:16:15,110 --> 02:16:12,030
for a number of years I think in the mid

2938
02:16:17,450 --> 02:16:15,120
to late 90s they finally closed it and

2939
02:16:19,340 --> 02:16:17,460
they started you know knocking the

2940
02:16:21,260 --> 02:16:19,350
buildings down and by the time we got

2941
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:21,270
there there were only two dormitory big

2942
02:16:26,810 --> 02:16:23,760
huge dormitory buildings in a few of the

2943
02:16:29,060 --> 02:16:26,820
smaller office type buildings left you

2944
02:16:31,060 --> 02:16:29,070
know people have asked me to describe

2945
02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:31,070
what it was like walking in there and

2946
02:16:36,260 --> 02:16:33,810
the only way I can really describe it is

2947
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:36,270
is imagine the sound of a million voices

2948
02:16:44,530 --> 02:16:39,090
screaming and then put it just below

2949
02:16:48,830 --> 02:16:44,540
audible level there was like condensed

2950
02:16:50,990 --> 02:16:48,840
acoustic ghost soup in there it there

2951
02:16:53,180 --> 02:16:51,000
was a roar that you could kind of feel

2952
02:16:55,310 --> 02:16:53,190
but you couldn't hear and it sounded

2953
02:16:57,140 --> 02:16:55,320
like you know the screams of millions of

2954
02:16:59,780 --> 02:16:57,150
people over a hundred years just you

2955
02:17:02,679 --> 02:16:59,790
know or 90 years it was very

2956
02:17:07,059 --> 02:17:02,689
disconcerting Michael and I had a side

2957
02:17:09,459 --> 02:17:07,069
a of a weird kind of pale spectral face

2958
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:09,469
in a window that was there was no way

2959
02:17:14,199 --> 02:17:11,510
somebody could have been up 15 feet off

2960
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:14,209
the off the ground up in this particular

2961
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:17,569
window I heard the sound of footsteps

2962
02:17:23,139 --> 02:17:20,569
come across the entire you know hundred

2963
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:23,149
plus foot dormitory building in pitch

2964
02:17:28,540 --> 02:17:26,840
black kickin you know little bits of

2965
02:17:30,219 --> 02:17:28,550
broken glass and stuff there was nothing

2966
02:17:32,769 --> 02:17:30,229
inside it was all totally cleaned out

2967
02:17:37,209 --> 02:17:32,779
there was just a lot of debris small

2968
02:17:39,759 --> 02:17:37,219
crushed up debris plaster the piles of

2969
02:17:42,069 --> 02:17:39,769
bricks here and there and me and a light

2970
02:17:44,979 --> 02:17:42,079
guy were filming into a hydrotherapy

2971
02:17:46,929 --> 02:17:44,989
room pointed you know laterally from the

2972
02:17:49,540 --> 02:17:46,939
the main room which was to our left and

2973
02:17:51,250 --> 02:17:49,550
the two of us the light guy and me we

2974
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:51,260
heard somebody walk all the way across

2975
02:17:57,759 --> 02:17:54,649
this room it was quite distinct with the

2976
02:17:59,949 --> 02:17:57,769
echo of the footsteps I wanted to move

2977
02:18:02,709 --> 02:17:59,959
the camera in in the light and film

2978
02:18:05,769 --> 02:18:02,719
whoever it was coming across the space

2979
02:18:07,839 --> 02:18:05,779
but I was busy you know doing a shot in

2980
02:18:10,029 --> 02:18:07,849
the hydrotherapy room at st. staying in

2981
02:18:13,330 --> 02:18:10,039
the doorway as soon as the director said

2982
02:18:15,009 --> 02:18:13,340
cut we both turned to reveal who had

2983
02:18:17,859 --> 02:18:15,019
walked who've been sneaking up on us

2984
02:18:22,059 --> 02:18:17,869
across this this huge dormitory room and

2985
02:18:23,620 --> 02:18:22,069
there was nobody there at that point we

2986
02:18:24,849 --> 02:18:23,630
had split up into two teams I had

2987
02:18:26,439 --> 02:18:24,859
thought it was somebody trying to sneak

2988
02:18:29,049 --> 02:18:26,449
up on us from our you know from our

2989
02:18:32,379 --> 02:18:29,059
group trying to freak us out but no it

2990
02:18:33,849 --> 02:18:32,389
wasn't it was this weird you know set of

2991
02:18:36,549 --> 02:18:33,859
footsteps probably twenty thirty

2992
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:36,559
footsteps coming across pitch black in a

2993
02:18:42,759 --> 02:18:40,010
large empty space kicking pile of bricks

2994
02:18:44,019 --> 02:18:42,769
at one point and you know swinging

2995
02:18:45,790 --> 02:18:44,029
around quickly with a light in the

2996
02:18:47,620 --> 02:18:45,800
camera because both of us I mean the

2997
02:18:49,239 --> 02:18:47,630
like I both heard it and we were looking

2998
02:18:51,699 --> 02:18:49,249
at each other going who's that who's

2999
02:18:53,549 --> 02:18:51,709
that and soon as he said cut we both

3000
02:18:56,199 --> 02:18:53,559
turned and there was nobody there

3001
02:18:59,319 --> 02:18:56,209
maybe that Michael it was an amazing

3002
02:19:02,169 --> 02:18:59,329
place I mean just truly with the D'Amato

3003
02:19:04,089 --> 02:19:02,179
stop and the EVPs and just everything

3004
02:19:08,349 --> 02:19:04,099
that went on there I actually brought a

3005
02:19:10,899 --> 02:19:08,359
piece of the slate wolf home and things

3006
02:19:14,470 --> 02:19:10,909
at home got so bad I ended up taking it

3007
02:19:19,121 --> 02:19:17,530
have they have they torn the rest of

3008
02:19:22,090 --> 02:19:19,131
those five buildings that were remaining

3009
02:19:23,590 --> 02:19:22,100
either 1200 down now oh it's still there

3010
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:23,600
oh and actually a lot of the buildings

3011
02:19:26,740 --> 02:19:24,890
they were there quite a few of the bones

3012
02:19:29,201 --> 02:19:26,750
that were repurposed into office and

3013
02:19:30,701 --> 02:19:29,211
actually living spaces and warehouses so

3014
02:19:33,550 --> 02:19:30,711
there were actually word more more

3015
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:33,560
building still standing but just got it

3016
02:19:41,020 --> 02:19:38,240
and rebuilt to serve other functions you

3017
02:19:45,730 --> 02:19:41,030
know so it's it's where the energy there

3018
02:19:48,490 --> 02:19:45,740
is extreme to say the least well but

3019
02:19:50,140 --> 02:19:48,500
anyway as I was saying with with Zayn I

3020
02:19:52,631 --> 02:19:50,150
don't know why I wanted to cause that

3021
02:19:55,770 --> 02:19:52,641
mark but it was Ain

3022
02:19:58,780 --> 02:19:55,780
he has one of the last acid blotter

3023
02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:58,790
perforating machines left in America so

3024
02:20:05,381 --> 02:20:02,000
I thought it'd be a great idea to have

3025
02:20:09,251 --> 02:20:05,391
it pressed into 900 tabs of acid water

3026
02:20:11,201 --> 02:20:09,261
per plexi culvert so the actual covers

3027
02:20:17,171 --> 02:20:11,211
are you know even though we'll be

3028
02:20:19,631 --> 02:20:17,181
acid-free paper Chris but they will be

3029
02:20:22,541 --> 02:20:19,641
pressed and perforated two-niner tabs of

3030
02:20:27,791 --> 02:20:22,551
acid water and use Casper the Friendly

3031
02:20:30,310 --> 02:20:27,801
Ghost is the image right but yeah just

3032
02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:30,320
amazing nah no though I wanted the

3033
02:20:38,551 --> 02:20:33,730
correlation to remain of that whole

3034
02:20:41,740 --> 02:20:38,561
congruence of of the whole schizophrenic

3035
02:20:44,081 --> 02:20:41,750
question you know and LSD and

3036
02:20:46,541 --> 02:20:44,091
psychedelic music you know all relating

3037
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:46,551
to this this question of of whether or

3038
02:20:53,381 --> 02:20:51,250
not schizophrenic actually are or not

3039
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:53,391
flip-flopping between the living and the

3040
02:20:59,501 --> 02:20:56,240
dead you know if like energy attracts

3041
02:21:04,091 --> 02:20:59,511
does does that actually enhance the

3042
02:21:06,841 --> 02:21:04,101
schizophrenics malady or is the the fact

3043
02:21:09,461 --> 02:21:06,851
that they are schizophrenic attract the

3044
02:21:12,011 --> 02:21:09,471
yeah the you know I think that's a

3045
02:21:13,631 --> 02:21:12,021
legitimate question but we have to

3046
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:13,641
remember that schizophrenia is a

3047
02:21:20,591 --> 02:21:17,570
catch-all the very broad-based general

3048
02:21:24,701 --> 02:21:20,601
term that encompasses all different

3049
02:21:27,671 --> 02:21:24,711
kinds of mental conditions that really

3050
02:21:28,330 --> 02:21:27,681
don't have any other place to be

3051
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:28,340
classified

3052
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:30,250
and so they just lump them all into

3053
02:21:37,420 --> 02:21:34,399
schizophrenia it's it's an incredibly

3054
02:21:44,319 --> 02:21:37,430
complex if probably one of the most miss

3055
02:21:45,939 --> 02:21:44,329
used or abused diagnoses but when you

3056
02:21:49,090 --> 02:21:45,949
have a place like manteno that's

3057
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:49,100
designed to hold I think what 5,000

3058
02:21:53,260 --> 02:21:51,770
patients and it routinely had 10 to 12

3059
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:53,270
thousand there are even more people

3060
02:22:00,069 --> 02:21:56,210
crammed in there plus a cemetery where

3061
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:00,079
where bodies were dumped very

3062
02:22:04,030 --> 02:22:02,930
unceremoniously I might add from a lot

3063
02:22:06,969 --> 02:22:04,040
of the deaths that occurred there

3064
02:22:09,429 --> 02:22:06,979
especially during the depression in the

3065
02:22:13,090 --> 02:22:09,439
in the 20s and 30s when you have

3066
02:22:17,019 --> 02:22:13,100
warehouses where people with mental

3067
02:22:20,790 --> 02:22:17,029
problems are we're housed single women

3068
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:20,800
young girls that are pregnant were often

3069
02:22:26,769 --> 02:22:23,930
placed into these big super institutions

3070
02:22:29,109 --> 02:22:26,779
unwed mothers people with speech

3071
02:22:31,870 --> 02:22:29,119
impediments people who would not

3072
02:22:36,250 --> 02:22:31,880
normally now in this normal you know

3073
02:22:38,830 --> 02:22:36,260
high tech age would be would be dealt

3074
02:22:43,960 --> 02:22:38,840
with properly instead of warehouse with

3075
02:22:49,679 --> 02:22:43,970
you know suicidal you know mentally ill

3076
02:22:52,809 --> 02:22:49,689
suicidal people maniacal Mellie totally

3077
02:22:54,189 --> 02:22:52,819
shall we say antisocial types and the in

3078
02:22:56,050 --> 02:22:54,199
that sort of thing back then it was a

3079
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,060
catch-all place for anybody didn't fit

3080
02:23:01,030 --> 02:22:58,880
into culture and it would make sense

3081
02:23:03,550 --> 02:23:01,040
that there would be a lot of anguish and

3082
02:23:06,189 --> 02:23:03,560
residual you know potential residual

3083
02:23:08,530 --> 02:23:06,199
elements left behind by by anguish

3084
02:23:12,550 --> 02:23:08,540
people and impatience in these

3085
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:12,560
facilities one of the things that that I

3086
02:23:21,309 --> 02:23:19,010
found very depressing in there was that

3087
02:23:24,280 --> 02:23:21,319
one room where they some investigators

3088
02:23:26,410 --> 02:23:24,290
had had written out in graffiti around

3089
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:26,420
the entire hydrotherapy room a file of

3090
02:23:33,010 --> 02:23:29,810
one of the patients in there and we got

3091
02:23:35,139 --> 02:23:33,020
some great photographs in there but you

3092
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:35,149
know Michael we're kind of running out

3093
02:23:40,010 --> 02:23:36,409
of time here and we do have some

3094
02:23:43,219 --> 02:23:40,020
questions from some of our listeners and

3095
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:43,229
you know I think we should start to to

3096
02:23:50,689 --> 02:23:45,810
address some of the issues that have

3097
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:50,699
sprung I wanted to touch base on Peoria

3098
02:23:54,109 --> 02:23:52,170
about the hospital chair that would have

3099
02:24:00,830 --> 02:23:54,119
been you remember do you remember that

3100
02:24:02,689 --> 02:24:00,840
one yeah I do we did the documentary

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there this is kind of a last minute

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Nephilim ^ yes okay Chris how about

3223
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going through some questions quickly

3224
02:29:10,961 --> 02:29:09,621
well you know one thing Michael I must

3225
02:29:14,201 --> 02:29:10,971
say and it's it's been very

3226
02:29:16,871 --> 02:29:14,211
disheartening for me as someone who has

3227
02:29:20,051 --> 02:29:16,881
become actively involved in brief spurts

3228
02:29:22,901 --> 02:29:20,061
in in homicide investigations I do feel

3229
02:29:25,381 --> 02:29:22,911
that this is a very fruitful and very

3230
02:29:28,901 --> 02:29:25,391
compelling type of investigative work

3231
02:29:32,441 --> 02:29:28,911
but you know a long ago years ago

3232
02:29:35,231 --> 02:29:32,451
I absolutely gave up on any of the just

3233
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:35,241
dozens it seems of ghost shows that have

3234
02:29:41,281 --> 02:29:37,730
been on TV I really have problems with

3235
02:29:45,311 --> 02:29:41,291
manufacturing evidence with you know

3236
02:29:47,021 --> 02:29:45,321
reality drama and in creating problems

3237
02:29:49,991 --> 02:29:47,031
between members of the investigative

3238
02:29:52,481 --> 02:29:50,001
team and in all this reality show BS

3239
02:29:54,551 --> 02:29:52,491
basically where do you come down on

3240
02:29:55,961 --> 02:29:54,561
these ghost shows I mean are there any

3241
02:29:58,331 --> 02:29:55,971
that are worth watching

3242
02:30:00,731 --> 02:29:58,341
you know ghost hunters after the third

3243
02:30:05,351 --> 02:30:00,741
season to me was was a joke

3244
02:30:07,481 --> 02:30:05,361
Amy Allen show dead files I've seen he

3245
02:30:10,121 --> 02:30:07,491
admittedly not many but I've seen a few

3246
02:30:12,131 --> 02:30:10,131
episodes of that and it I know Amy and I

3247
02:30:15,071 --> 02:30:12,141
know that the what she's picking up on

3248
02:30:17,291 --> 02:30:15,081
is for the most part legit but give us

3249
02:30:19,211 --> 02:30:17,301
some of your your your favorites and

3250
02:30:22,961 --> 02:30:19,221
some of the shows that you absolutely

3251
02:30:25,991 --> 02:30:22,971
don't like and tell us why you know

3252
02:30:29,671 --> 02:30:26,001
honestly I kind of stopped watching them

3253
02:30:32,201 --> 02:30:29,681
a long long long time ago I didn't when

3254
02:30:35,021 --> 02:30:32,211
Ghost Hunters first came out and they

3255
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:35,031
started to do it it was interesting but

3256
02:30:40,661 --> 02:30:38,690
I found myself watching it for the drama

3257
02:30:45,101 --> 02:30:40,671
it was going on between the people and

3258
02:30:47,711 --> 02:30:45,111
you know the whole East Coast kind of in

3259
02:30:48,280 --> 02:30:47,721
a real nice feel of what their home

3260
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:48,290
lives

3261
02:30:51,850 --> 02:30:50,450
were like and things like that and I

3262
02:30:54,940 --> 02:30:51,860
actually found myself watching it more

3263
02:30:57,220 --> 02:30:54,950
for that than fruitlessly or an occasion

3264
02:30:59,710 --> 02:30:57,230
you know very few occasions which is

3265
02:31:01,720 --> 02:30:59,720
which is good too because I think out of

3266
02:31:03,610 --> 02:31:01,730
all of them Ghost Hunters was probably

3267
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:03,620
especially at the beginning was probably

3268
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:06,170
one of the most well straightforward one

3269
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:08,090
I mean hire you'd have to watch like

3270
02:31:12,220 --> 02:31:10,010
four or five episodes before they

3271
02:31:13,810 --> 02:31:12,230
captured a flee worthwhile in the

3272
02:31:15,880 --> 02:31:13,820
beginning so what they would do is

3273
02:31:19,330 --> 02:31:15,890
they'd fill it full of infighting and

3274
02:31:20,830 --> 02:31:19,340
and other stuff which actually made it

3275
02:31:23,620 --> 02:31:20,840
more interesting and probably a little

3276
02:31:27,030 --> 02:31:23,630
more realistic but then they define

3277
02:31:30,190 --> 02:31:27,040
their baby so I rather refined their

3278
02:31:32,110 --> 02:31:30,200
formula and then it just went to you

3279
02:31:34,900 --> 02:31:32,120
know crap like all the rest of them but

3280
02:31:37,511 --> 02:31:34,910
yeah it's usually filled with people

3281
02:31:40,060 --> 02:31:37,521
that are into themselves and not

3282
02:31:41,890 --> 02:31:40,070
interested in the things so I'd be more

3283
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:41,900
interested in looking at documentaries

3284
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:45,170
or things like that you know I think

3285
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:48,110
people need to redefine the purpose of

3286
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:52,010
doing shows or programs you know as to

3287
02:31:55,300 --> 02:31:53,690
what they want to accomplish

3288
02:31:57,490 --> 02:31:55,310
oh it's filler it's filler between

3289
02:31:58,810 --> 02:31:57,500
commercials let's get real right right

3290
02:32:00,610 --> 02:31:58,820
it's something that leaves commercials

3291
02:32:02,530 --> 02:32:00,620
together at this point which is totally

3292
02:32:04,270 --> 02:32:02,540
but that's why I say the

3293
02:32:07,990 --> 02:32:04,280
documentary level I think would probably

3294
02:32:11,950 --> 02:32:08,000
be somebody is more interesting to me

3295
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:11,960
because unless you just you want to

3296
02:32:16,270 --> 02:32:14,210
thrill or whatever and then then you're

3297
02:32:18,011 --> 02:32:16,280
really just not a joy right it depends

3298
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:18,021
on the level of the audience because I

3299
02:32:20,950 --> 02:32:19,730
think what they've done is misjudge the

3300
02:32:23,140 --> 02:32:20,960
level of the audience is something

3301
02:32:25,350 --> 02:32:23,150
that's just looking for a thrill versus

3302
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:25,360
somebody that's really interested and

3303
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:29,120
thoughtfully exploring it why yeah so

3304
02:32:34,990 --> 02:32:32,810
it's it's the real you know very there's

3305
02:32:37,660 --> 02:32:35,000
a deep gulf between true investigation

3306
02:32:39,580 --> 02:32:37,670
and pure entertainment correct well you

3307
02:32:41,950 --> 02:32:39,590
know that's why I like our original dead

3308
02:32:45,070 --> 02:32:41,960
whisper project which came out in 2006

3309
02:32:47,320 --> 02:32:45,080
that was the real deal nobody was faking

3310
02:32:49,180 --> 02:32:47,330
anything everybody was you know the

3311
02:32:51,310 --> 02:32:49,190
camera was just a you know kind of a fly

3312
02:32:54,130 --> 02:32:51,320
on the wall what you saw is what

3313
02:32:56,470 --> 02:32:54,140
happened people's reactions were what

3314
02:32:57,130 --> 02:32:56,480
they were there was no deal let's try

3315
02:32:58,030 --> 02:32:57,140
that again

3316
02:33:01,420 --> 02:32:58,040
do another

3317
02:33:03,610 --> 02:33:01,430
take everything was one take and in real

3318
02:33:05,980 --> 02:33:03,620
life and I wish more of the shows would

3319
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:05,990
adopt that kind of kind of approach and

3320
02:33:10,810 --> 02:33:08,090
obviously if they did they wouldn't be

3321
02:33:13,150 --> 02:33:10,820
really finding much because it's pretty

3322
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:13,160
rare to go into a situation and actually

3323
02:33:22,360 --> 02:33:17,210
have something to present to a TV

3324
02:33:24,430 --> 02:33:22,370
audience I think what's really cool

3325
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:24,440
about that program too is because there

3326
02:33:30,730 --> 02:33:26,810
was a special edition of that DVD put on

3327
02:33:33,761 --> 02:33:30,740
with be footage b-roll of just shots

3328
02:33:35,650 --> 02:33:33,771
between us screwing off and and things

3329
02:33:38,410 --> 02:33:35,660
has showed how things were really going

3330
02:33:40,420 --> 02:33:38,420
and you get a real sense of watching

3331
02:33:42,700 --> 02:33:40,430
that you got a real sense of what was

3332
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:42,710
really going on there so we'd be able to

3333
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:44,570
watch it and say oh you know it's

3334
02:33:48,100 --> 02:33:46,850
probably staged and blah blah if they

3335
02:33:50,410 --> 02:33:48,110
were watching if they went back and

3336
02:33:54,370 --> 02:33:50,420
watched the b-roll or the bonus disc

3337
02:33:56,020 --> 02:33:54,380
they saw you know all the stuff that was

3338
02:33:58,600 --> 02:33:56,030
going on and around and behind the

3339
02:34:01,570 --> 02:33:58,610
scenes so they knew that when we were

3340
02:34:03,580 --> 02:34:01,580
laughed or joking about stuff or we were

3341
02:34:05,140 --> 02:34:03,590
setting up and you know they could see

3342
02:34:07,150 --> 02:34:05,150
all the inner workings of it and

3343
02:34:09,430 --> 02:34:07,160
somebody would know that it really

3344
02:34:11,140 --> 02:34:09,440
wasn't something was scripted or staged

3345
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:11,150
or or what have you

3346
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:14,810
right the b-roll featured extended shots

3347
02:34:19,420 --> 02:34:17,690
you know we take maybe a 15 second or

3348
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:19,430
twenty second shot that was used in the

3349
02:34:23,710 --> 02:34:21,920
in the dead whisperer piece and the

3350
02:34:26,530 --> 02:34:23,720
b-roll would show what happened before

3351
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,540
and after that to put it into context so

3352
02:34:31,390 --> 02:34:28,640
I have a question here and you know

3353
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:31,400
you've actually scared out scared up

3354
02:34:35,890 --> 02:34:34,160
some new posters at forum dr. Peric

3355
02:34:38,650 --> 02:34:35,900
ascom where our listeners are able to

3356
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:38,660
you know dial up the question thread and

3357
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:40,370
post questions for our guests and this

3358
02:34:43,780 --> 02:34:41,690
one comes from France

3359
02:34:46,090 --> 02:34:43,790
it's from French UFO it's their very

3360
02:34:48,940 --> 02:34:46,100
first post at the forum they've been a

3361
02:34:50,980 --> 02:34:48,950
member since 2014 so Michael you're

3362
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:50,990
you're bringing them out of the the

3363
02:34:56,050 --> 02:34:52,970
ethers here and we see a lot of groups

3364
02:34:58,511 --> 02:34:56,060
and shows using EVP with various

3365
02:35:01,090 --> 02:34:58,521
technical technologies and tools are

3366
02:35:02,770 --> 02:35:01,100
these tools and methods all equal well

3367
02:35:05,530 --> 02:35:02,780
I've always said I mean when it comes

3368
02:35:07,560 --> 02:35:05,540
down to tools they're nothing but tools

3369
02:35:11,671 --> 02:35:07,570
the best

3370
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:11,681
someone could get starting out in this

3371
02:35:15,330 --> 02:35:13,210
business I always tell the good set of

3372
02:35:19,131 --> 02:35:15,340
ears you know nothing in the world is

3373
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:19,141
gonna replace solid observation and

3374
02:35:24,180 --> 02:35:22,240
careful listening practice careful

3375
02:35:26,970 --> 02:35:24,190
listening practice observation people

3376
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:26,980
miss so much because they're just not

3377
02:35:31,921 --> 02:35:29,410
paying attention so I mean you can get

3378
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:31,931
the latest and greatest electronics or

3379
02:35:35,730 --> 02:35:35,170
Coast box or EMF readers or recorders or

3380
02:35:37,381 --> 02:35:35,740
whatever

3381
02:35:40,131 --> 02:35:37,391
in fact the cheapest recorders are

3382
02:35:42,470 --> 02:35:40,141
better because you have less sound

3383
02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:42,480
control you know you have lost some

3384
02:35:47,330 --> 02:35:45,250
sound buffering you know I'd never use a

3385
02:35:50,610 --> 02:35:47,340
Bose recorder because there's so much

3386
02:35:53,251 --> 02:35:50,620
sound cleaning technology and you just

3387
02:35:56,370 --> 02:35:53,261
you don't get what you hear anyway you

3388
02:35:58,560 --> 02:35:56,380
know but still nothing replaces just a

3389
02:36:02,160 --> 02:35:58,570
real strong sense of observation and a

3390
02:36:05,070 --> 02:36:02,170
good good source of attention well I

3391
02:36:06,270 --> 02:36:05,080
remember after your first guest

3392
02:36:08,461 --> 02:36:06,280
appearance here at the pair of cast

3393
02:36:10,980 --> 02:36:08,471
there was quite an extended thread or

3394
02:36:14,190 --> 02:36:10,990
people arguing well the only EVPs that

3395
02:36:17,251 --> 02:36:14,200
are captured are captured on on you know

3396
02:36:19,711 --> 02:36:17,261
the cheapest digital recorders and and

3397
02:36:22,291 --> 02:36:19,721
this stuff will never be picked up on

3398
02:36:26,131 --> 02:36:22,301
real good audio equipment and there was

3399
02:36:28,711 --> 02:36:26,141
a lot of suggestion I think in in in the

3400
02:36:31,530 --> 02:36:28,721
naysayers saying that this is all sort

3401
02:36:33,690 --> 02:36:31,540
of sound parody Leah that it's all you

3402
02:36:37,381 --> 02:36:33,700
know either crosstalk or or a

3403
02:36:40,350 --> 02:36:37,391
contamination from people whispering in

3404
02:36:43,140 --> 02:36:40,360
the room one thing I must say though

3405
02:36:46,711 --> 02:36:43,150
Michael runs a really tight ship when

3406
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:46,721
we're doing EVP recordings there's a an

3407
02:36:53,610 --> 02:36:51,610
absolute blazed in in fire rule that

3408
02:36:55,560 --> 02:36:53,620
when we're doing EVP recordings nobody

3409
02:36:57,930 --> 02:36:55,570
is allowed to whisper it's not the Ghost

3410
02:37:01,251 --> 02:36:57,940
Whisperer it's just no one's around

3411
02:37:03,990 --> 02:37:01,261
allowed to make a sound we don't want

3412
02:37:07,230 --> 02:37:04,000
something like that just Paddy's head

3413
02:37:11,930 --> 02:37:07,240
thank you Michael where can we find more

3414
02:37:14,130 --> 02:37:11,940
of the stuff you do if you got at WWDC

3415
02:37:17,010 --> 02:37:14,140
ogs calm

3416
02:37:20,340 --> 02:37:17,020
and type in my name you find extensive

3417
02:37:23,580 --> 02:37:20,350
list of my productions my recordings

3418
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:23,590
also if you just google my name and an

3419
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:25,449
EVP after it I'd something like the

3420
02:37:30,059 --> 02:37:27,970
first 36 pages or something on the

3421
02:37:32,099 --> 02:37:30,069
search engine that's real good

3422
02:37:34,679 --> 02:37:32,109
you can find us on Twitter if you look

3423
02:37:37,559 --> 02:37:34,689
for the power cast look for the two para

3424
02:37:40,860 --> 02:37:37,569
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3425
02:37:43,229 --> 02:37:40,870
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3426
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:43,239
that michael sent us and then you can

3427
02:37:47,250 --> 02:37:44,890
make your own determination as to what

3428
02:37:50,099 --> 02:37:47,260
you think and neighbors were going to

3429
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:50,109
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Esposito it's always informative to

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02:38:45,630 --> 02:38:43,630
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3450
02:38:49,229 --> 02:38:45,640
hear more of it thank you for joining us

3451
02:39:03,410 --> 02:38:49,239
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02:39:09,961 --> 02:39:06,930
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